No. M26 and super hellcat. This is same br but different role.
…and only can use in when not move. Rare you can see a time who use it on combat situation.
Panthers and tiger I same BR different role, M26 and T26E5 same BR differnt role. One as able to use as heavy while the other one use as med.
US heavys vs Ge and SU counter part:
Us meds and his Ge and SU counterpart:
T26E5 is just better M26. It can flank, it can snipe, it can push as heavy.
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Yes. USA suffer on mid ranks. Why usa can’t get armored medium like panther?
You forgot a huge different. When play with heavy tank it fight most case in upper or same BR than it have, and small case it have a hightest BR tank in battles. When play with a med tank in most case play on his own or lower BR and rare fight against higher BR opponent.
When play with 6.7 Br heavy like Tiger II P you easily face againt T32,T32E1,M103, Magach 1, Magach 2, IS-4M and there are just some of the many OP upper BR opponont. M26 Persing i rare saw to fight against T-44-100 and never sawed when fight against IS-4M or T-54 mod 1947 when that tank have the hightest BR. Not to talk when play as a GE heavy you need to face against US HEAT-FS shells which make his armor as a garbage.
Let see which opponent use OP HEAT-FS against them:
M46 Patton:
M47 Patton
M48A1 Patton
M50 Ontos
T92
When face agains UK OP APDS shots from
Centurion 1,2,3,
FV4202
And not to talk M109A1 howitzer wich US players bring everywhere.
“Why usa can’t get armored medium like panther?” because they not developed a new one during the WW2, because M4 sherman serie is enought them to defeat his foe. Panther auf A,D,G and garbage armored F variant play on lower (6.0)BR and they balanded on this BR. Why ? the reason it have a bad mobility,(manureve , reserve speed, some variant low turrent rotation speed.)easily to disable his armanent , knock out the whole turrent crew with one shot and have bad side armor. Bro not one panter i hunted down with cute BT-5…
“USA suffer on mid ranks” Not really. Just learn how to use it. While you never played with Panther II you will never experienced the real suffer.
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All nations have one.
USA can face it too. And APDS have hige problems with post pen damage.
German M47 and M48. German M41 with HEAT-fs. KanonenJagPazner 4-5 with heat-fs.
It’s a M26 pershing. Or where is my field uparmored m4 with 127mm UFP? It will be full analog to panther. With strong UFP, bad reverse, bad sides, bad turret.
“It’s a M26 pershing.” But designed as a medium tank not a heavy.
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To balance M26 we need 2 diffent variant and some BR changes:
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One on BR 6.0 but this variant can able to use M82 shot which make him superior against Tiger I and panthers only T77, M304 and M71. This variant trade firepower to armor and with ACPR shot able to use as a laser cannon. This variant will fight mostly on 6.0 BR and when it face against Tiger II H use APCR, against Tiger II P enought th T77 shot.
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And need an other one an M26 Korean war which able to use M82, M304 APCR and M348 HEAT-FS and this will need to fight on BR 6.7. This variant got firepower improvement. With HEAT-FS it can defeat every opponent from 5.7-7.7.
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BUT this cost should be the Pantger II BR changes also from 7.0 BR reduce it to 6.7 BR in AB /RB and change back tiger II P from 6.7 to 6.3 BR. In this case Tiger II P and panther II armor a bit increased because much rare time.
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This modification will be valid on France M26 case and Italian M26 also.
“Or where is my field uparmored m4 with 127mm UFP? It will be full analog to panther. With strong UFP, bad reverse, bad sides, bad turret.” Ask developers i not mind to add it. Create a topic ,add nice pictures if not exist a topic create it if exist give me a link than you got a +1 vote.
It was literally marked as medium heavy tank in some documents.
“All nations have one.” -but US players use it everywhere thanks to his one shot ability.
“USA can face it too. And APDS have hige problems with post pen damage.” i understand but UK is a side nation next to US,GE and SU. Most case fight on US side.
“German M47 and M48. German M41 with HEAT-fs. KanonenJagPazner 4-5 with heat-fs.”
-GE M47 is a premium tank so this number on battlefield low and rare.
-Ge M48A2 C thanks to huge number of 6.7 BR tanks also rare in battle field when fight as 6.7 tanks.
ok i accept but in WT to still as medium tank i better prefer because med have arty barrage which good against light armored TD-s and if you lucky can know out a any heavy tanks without take a shot.
What about m41 and jpz 4-5? And m109g is very often guest in battle now. Thanks to canonade.
US and Japan have M41A1 bulldog which able to use APDS Fight on BR 6.0
GE M41 variant able to use APDS and HEAT-FS fight in BR 6.3
US have a T92 also which able to use APDS and HEAT-FS and fight on 6.7.
Currently this is balanced partly because T92 trade his low profile to highter BR. But if we want to improve it:
To blance in this case US need the new M41A2 bulldog which fight on 6.3 br and able to use Heat-fs also.
Jpz 4-5 is a garbage, however have a HEAT-FS shell but only seems to be good. Only able to use Chemical energy ammo which make him useless in city and forest map, because every object should stop his shots(fence trees, stonewalls…etc) . However it has a low profile but it traded to low armor. Planes easily kill it with 50 cal MG, and ground auto cannons also. Not to talk not every map fit for him. Moreover his armor enought weak to penetrate everythink and enought strong to detonate APHE shots inside the tank.
M109 should be sensitivy to HEAT shells also not just against HE, to knock out him with one shot like other light TD-s and able to detonate with arty barrage if the HE shell explode next to it… or reduce allowed number during battle to or increase is spawn cost but i belive the last 2 option not every one want.
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American bulldog on 6.3 German on 6.7 t92 is on 7.0.
…And Ge bulldog still on 6.7 if we see the RB BR stats. But if we see the sneak skill which low profile provided of there tank i understand why T92 still on 7.0 and why bulldog stand on 6.3 or 6.7. From 6.0-8.0 if have a HEAT-FS shot you can defeat every tank because no ERA and no composite armor. To do this need a clear path between your and your foe to environment not stop your shot, than is the reason why APDS are better choise in city/forest/factory maps. With APDS also you have a huge advantage a light tank. The other reason if hit T92 turrent coupona with APHE ammo not every case it detonate thanks to low armor while M41 able to die from one shot.
My issue regarding the Tiger II P at 6.7 is simply this.
I don’t want to play any WW2 tank at 6.7 BR as much as I would love to because the game simply unravels for me at that BR so I stay clear of it there if I can because I know I will be at 7.7 BR for much of it and facing CAS and Vehicles at 7.7.
Facing 70’s 80s vehicles in WW2 tanks that were showing weakness in WW2 is simply not for me and it is something I will not be doing. In fact I stopped with the Panthers and Jadgpanzer at 6.0 and 6.3 for the same reason. The game holds no magic for me when it becomes a mixed armored parade. It is more like a military display than an immersive game. A big no and a big turn off.
I am simply saying I choose to stop there. I have the Tiger II which I got when it was 6.3 and haven’t used it since it went up to 6.7.
I also won’t spend 2million SL on the other 6.7 WW2 vehicles simply to go against BMPs with Missiles etc. It is not what I joined War Thunder for. History shows that many USSR vehicles were cracking Tiger II Armour during WW2 so balance shouldn’t be an issue really.
There have been complaints about the quality of players in high levels, but I wonder how many other long-term players stop at the uncomfortable WW2/Modern crossover simply by choice.
Would it be advantageous to both fans of the WW2 and Modern to finally split the game now?
Not happening. Many cold war vehicles are inferior to their WW2 counterparts, just faster and cheaper to produce. While vehicles were destroying Tiger 2s, its only at many-to-one odds. An entire team of Tiger 2s doesn’t have this weakness. The Tiger 2P is supperior to the IS2 and M26. Its not going back to 6.3.
This game isn’t designed to supply your roleplaying fantasy. Its designed to provide competitive multiplayer experiences. Most early IFVs are bad, tiger 2s are easily sufficent to take them on.
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No it is very much happening because I don’t go above 6.3 in War Thunder as I said for the reason I stated. So that is that.
I would suggest it is you who having the roleplaying fantasy if you think BMPs vs Tigers is realistic or even enjoyable. It may be only game, but I am not nine years old.
If you are the kind of kid who played Red Indians vs Knights in Armour, then that is up to you. I knew the difference and still do.