Take the Tiger II (P) back to 6.3

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You can sit at your 6.3 and still see the Ratel 90 from late 1960s. Of course, that vehicle is horrifically bad but you don’t care about that.

Projection much? I don’t care about eras, i have no roleplaying fantasy here. You are the one who wants Tiger 2s vs vastly inferior tanks. None of the other 6.3 heavies come close to the Tiger 2p. You aren’t getting it downteired.

BMPs are easier to kill in a tiger 2 than a tiger 2 is to kill in a BMP. ATGs are terrible and the early atgms have very little postpen. Meanwhile 88mm APHE OHKs a BMP nearly anywhere. It is enjoyable from both sides.

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No I do care about that, so wrong. That is why I stay below 5BR for most of my game play and top out at 6.A number of players do.

Good for you. I don’t care about what you care about. I do care about realistic game play in 2023.You may not.

The game was a long time ago realistic and enjoyable. Now it is silly and desperate drivel only appealing to kids and it’s getting worse with every update.

Rubbish. Modern vehicles are one shotting Panthers and Tiger 2 on the test drive range at 7.7 with shot and missiles. Then you have 7.7 CAS.

The game just unravels big time and I want no part of it at that point and many others feel the same way.
I accept the game gets silly later, but I am just asking to be allowed to stay away from it. Moving everything up means I can’t, and neither can those who feel the way I do.

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The devs aren’t going to change the entire game paradigm for you and the tiny subset of people you speak for.

Turns out, the Panther and Tiger 2s can 1-shot BMPs from nearly any range too.

PS, the R3 is a 1980s vehicle. Are you going to go down to 2.x now? This game has had a plethora of eras at early BRs for AGES. And don’t even try to say the game was ‘better’ back in GF beta. It was far more unbalanced and nearly unplayable for many BRs. 4.7 jumbos and Hellcats utterly dominating unless they got full upteir. Nothing could deal with the tiger 2H or is3 reliably. It was just stomp after stomp with your teir determining which nation won rather than your skill.

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I agree the game becomes a mess where the Coldwar era and WW2 share a BR.I bow out even earlier than you do especially now the 5.7s went to 6 in the German line up🙄

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Is there anyone remember M26 and T26E5 now are in the same BR XD

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There’s a ton of issues with the late WW2 era tanks transitioning to post-war and those vehicle seeing vehicles from the 70-80s.

The whole 6.7-8.7 BR range is just clustered with vehicles that can’t really compete because they get outperformed hard by same or higher BR vehicles while still being super strong for vehicles they see in full downtiers.

But before I go off-topic too much about that. Let’s look at the WW2 situation and the Tiger II P.

The real question is: How much better is the Tiger II P compared to the Tiger E?

A US 75mm will penetrate a Tiger E from the side quite easily, but has almost no chance to go through a Tiger II P because of the lower side being increased to 80mm and upper hull and turret being angled.

A Russian 85mm can’t go through the hull front and needs more side angle to penetrate.

So it is a tougher nut to crack.

While it doesn’t have a round that overpressures vehicles, the increased penetration, muzzle velocity and traverse rate are a substantial upgrade.

One downside is the lower mobility.

I think that 0.7 BR increase is well deserved. Which begs the question whether the Tiger II H should be 7.0.

While the Tiger II H is frontally immune to tanks like the M4A3 and T-34-85, I don’t think so that they should have a BR where they never met.

Both Tiger IIs are exceptional at fighting at range but they are slow, which reduces their efficency when fighting at close range.

A small buff to the Tiger II P would probably be enough to justify staying at 6.7 with the Tiger II H.

The turret front of the Tiger II P could use some more care. It’s like a super old model.
The turret side should be overlapping with the front, reducing the frontal vulnerable area further, making penetrations less likely to occur.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ahB0ALRBGc3q

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It was nerfed to 18 degress/sec, like the tiger 2.

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Dude.

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i left germany