It’s no where near a 10.7 mate? 11.0 I can deal with it being and can discuss it being 11.0 or 11.3 but 10.7? not a chance.
gen 2 (or is it 3) thermals, good armour, good optics, fantastic round for the BR, an APS.
Does it also get the commanders thermals?
the mobility doesn’t change it much at all. Like the mobility is a negative, not a debatable fact at all as I’ve been shown, however the other boons coming from te 72B3 are still there.
That is debatable, I would call it a downgrade since the better mobility is much more valuable than a pretty mid and very situational APS (one of the worse APS at top tier).
T-90A in turn has much more favorable turret in terms of protection. However the T-90A was hardly a strong tank for 11.0 already.
Yep, but as of currently my spaded T-72B3 is 47 ton while my T-72B3 arena (obviously not spaded) is 46.5 ton. I guess/assume the APS is also quite heavy.
It’s not at top tier though that’s the thing, the Arena is at 11.0.
Top tier APS is like what is found on the VT4A1 or the Black Knight.
The issue I’ve got with the mobility is that it’s still a T72, the B3 is still limited to 60, reverse is horrific even if it gets to that 60 far faster, which it will.
You reckon so? i’ve had more folks put rounds clean through the front of my T90As turret than the T72, the T72B3 has better turret protection does it not?
Also the T90 turret and gun traverse are pathetic in comparison to the T72B3
I see, I thought it was 48 or 47.5 apologies mate. Been a while since I’ve bothered with the t72B3 I’d rather take the T80B out over it TBH xD
Its more on par with 10.7 tanks than it is with 11.3s. Its a fine vehicle at 11.0 like I said. It just will never be a good one.
Significantly worse armor than T-72B3 and considerably worse than 90A due to turret. The round is good but the reload is really bad. The APS is a glorified drozd and even struggles stopping spikes that arent long range. The optics are a bit of a moot point as as long as you have Gen 1 and good zoom that qualifies for good optics, anything better than Gen 1 is QoL.
??? Its 2s slower than OES to 60 km/h and more than twice as slow as 2A4 while being down 8 km/h of top speed as well. This is not even mentioning the M1 which is better.
The problem that all T-72B3s have is their turret forehead/roof. I have been spading a bunch of my challies and the forehead is such a painful thing for them. Easy to hit, always exposed even when hull down and usually results in at least 1 dead crew, destroyed FCS and usually an orange/red/destroyed breach and/or autoloader.
The T-80BVM has a similar weakspot, but that is a whole different topic.
Oh yeah I agree with that.
Only in mobility is it on par with the 10.7s.
firepower, armour, tech such as optics, gun laying speeds, turret traverse speeds, thermal imager quality and ofc the APS.
How is it significantly worse? the T72B3 turret is better?
every T72 has that reload, as well as the chinese MBTs. It’s not great but it’s consistent.
Sorry what? xD the arena APS is substantially better than the drozd in what it stops, as for spikes they’ve been stopping every one I’ve fired at them. Same with hellfires and mavs.
it’s a decent APS like I already said it’s not as good as the likes of the BN or the VT4 but it’s not bad at all especially for being at 11.0.
No they are not a moot point, at all.
The optics on the T72B3 are fantastic and allow it to snipe substantially better than most. Thermal imager quality is also quite a big thing so how is that not a bonus if it has gen 2 or gen 3 thermals? xD
Okay we’ve established that the mobility isn’t great, much like every T72 before hand the mobility isn’t what you play a T72 for
As well as that, saying it’s so slow comapred to the Leopard 2a4 as if mobility is the only mitigating factor when it fires a top tier round, has gen two thermals, better horizontal turret traverse and substantially better gun elevation speeds. a consistent 7 second reload VS the leopard 6.7 without expert crew, 6.4 with it. Shows that you’re either purposefully being disingenious and acting as if all these other factors don’t matter or you really don’t know much about the game.
Even if it’s slower than an OES , the OES is at 12.3 xD not 11.0
it has a better round than the OES as well.
an APS, Better ERA, better more functional composites. Better reload than OES as well BTW if the OES has fired it’s first 4 rounds.
Need I continue?
T90A is the exact same dude, you can even HESH it through the roof. when hesh works and the ERA doesn’t get all funky.
yeah it’s different as it’s at 12.7 though isn’t it, not 11.0 the CR2 also fires a top tier round VS the T72B3.
Try firing a DM23 clean through the turrets, hell even L26 is struggling. well, with teh T72 not the T90A.
9.3s*
Not even. It takes more than twice the time to reach 60 km/h vs other 10.7s, and 7s more than its Russian peer the T-80UD. NATO 10.7s also have significantly better top speeds.
Gun handling and traverse are on par with NATO 10.7s, however it has significantly worse depression than them. APS is niche and thermal generation is QoL.
Its not? The T-72B3 turret is far worse than T-90A.
Its SIGNIFICANTLY worse than other T-72s. Its around 10s slower than T-72B3 to 60.
You always take into account experted reloads, so M1 is 5.3 and 2A4 is 6.4, way better than T-72s.
OES is… 11.7…
True but not by very much.
Having 5.3 for 5 rounds > permanently stuck at 7s.
APS is niche and not very useful at 11.0.
Sorry no, it has 18 Hp /PT it has roughly the same as the T72Bs at 10.3 which are about 18.7 or such last i checked.
So no, not 9.3s.
Im sorry why are you comparing it to the T80UD ? how is it a peer of the T72B3.
It’s literally got the engine from the T72Bs at 10.3 which have 840 HP as well.
the T80UD is obviously more mobile it has the 1000HP engine.
The gun handling is absolutely miles faster than nato comparable vehicles, which it also BTW has a 40 degree turret traverse speed VS the 34 found on most nato vehicles at 10.7 last I checked but it could be they need aced crews.
tell me how. the composite array isn’t much different and the T72 it has about 20 lower MM protection in the composite plates but makes it back up in sheer thickness of the block holding it.
As well as that It doesn’t have two huge flat parts on the front of the turret which most ammos at 11.0 can cut clean through.
It also has a worse shot trap due to how the turret is laid out.
APS is not a niche thing at all, there are so many air craft, helicopters and missile firing tanks it can and does protect from. To claim it’s niche is seriously disingenuous of you.
again comparable to the bloody 10.3 T72s, which lack the round, turret traverse, thermals, optics, APS and the protection.
You do not and I say this having used almost every T72 in the russian tree Turms included, play a T72 for mobility.
I literally stated the expert reload of the leopard 2a4 there . without an expert crew or without a leveled crew it’s literally the same as the T72, for a round which is miles worse.
It was a typo I meant to say 11.3 , they’ve moved the british tanks BRs about the last major decompression we got and I haven’t used past 10.7 much so their Brs I get wrong occasionally.
Irregardless, it’s still 2 steps above it. even if the T72 ARENA is slower, it’s better in various ways, as I stated.
By enough to be noticeable, it’s also found on an MBT with the aformention list of boons 2 BR steps below the EOS.
Have you used the CR2s? genuinely?
cause I’d rather the consistency of the 7 seconds than the 5.3 for incorrectly 4 reloads, first shot is already loaded so it’s 4 reloads
that reload change from 5 seconds to closer to 7 has gotten me wiped out far too many times . @Morvran knows what I mean with that.
Without ready rack is 7 seconds, with a leveled crew. the ready rack reload witha level 102 crew as I have rn is 7.5 seconds
that’s a level 102 crew mate.
It has the same mobility as the T-90A which is the exact same BR as the T-72B3E
Oh my god you have not a damn clue what you’re talking about.
Unlike Arena-M on B3A, B3E’s Arena-E only has a vertical arc of 20 degrees, meaning Helis, Aircraft, and even closer Spikes can bypass this. APS is also far more useful at LDIRCM BR where Helis are actually spammed, not at 11.0 where they’re rather rare.
This is some take. You’re reaching for the damn sun with this.
Expert. Your. Vehicles.
I will add this, you don’t compare B3E’s mobility to T-72B, you compare it to what it commonly faces and is at the same BR as it, ie: 2A4, M1, T-90A.
Being more than twice as slow to position vs 2A4 and M1 is a huge disadvantage, not to mention the plethora of other negatives on T-XX like reverse, reload, and depression.
Then why use the T80UD as a comparison and not the T90A
I do mate, read what I said again: either you genuinely cannot read or are choosing to ignore what I’ve said
I said it may be because they don’t have the aced crews.
So yeah, stop being obtuse and read what I say
I’m sorry, but my spikes, hellfires, mavs and KH29S have all been intecepted no problem at all.
20 degrees is a nice angle to have and allows for it to counter what other vehicles absolutely cannot.
helis are not rare, at 11.0 at all.
How is it reaching? xD I can’t find you to check but if you had used the CR2s you’d know those 4 reloads disappear quite quickly.
You compare it with the T90A as it’s literally what it’s the same BR as.
**you’re acting as if the other T72s are any different that is my entire point here, you do not play a T72 for mobility and positioning VS tanks like M1 Abrams and Leopard 2A4. **
That’s my fault.
I forgot to add, it is because you do not have the horizontal drive modification.
Probably bad launch angle for the ATGMs, Spike is just inconsistent with its lofting.
Decently rare, especially them engaging you, as unlike top tier LDIRCM Helis which can engage 8-16 with a single volley (albeit rare), these 11.0 ones can only engage one at a time.
Saying 5.3 for 4x and then 7s < 7s because you dont like the inconsistency is just blatantly dumb, not to be rude.
The mobility was already at a problem at 10.3 with T-72B, now at 11.0 its only exaggerated, as you face more mobile vehicles. To add insult to injury, the T-90A is the same BR with considerably better mobility, and the T-72B3 only .3 away.
You dont play the T-72s for mobility, but this one is considerably slower than the other T-72/90s which you also dont play for mobility.
Yep same. Especially given the 20 second per round ready rack reload too which is extra BS
You can’t go higher or you get shot down.
the 11.0 helis, I started to use now, 10.7 more specifically with the lynx and i see quite a few folks in helis, always have.
Not quite to the extent top tier is at right enough.
It’s not dumb at all, after I pass those four rounds, which happens quite a lot, I now reload slower than the slowest loading auto loading vehicles at those BRs.
It’s not consistent.
hows that dumb. it’s horrific once you’re reloading at 7.5 secods at top tier, or past 9.3 really.
the T72s at 10.3 while not as mobile as say, the M1 Abrams which is one of the most mobile tanks, period is just enough to get where you need to go.
The T72B3 Arena is comparable to them, and isn’t seeing tanks more mobile than the M1, as it’s more agile than the later iterations of M1, even if it’s just a small touch.
I am not here to debate if it’s mobility is bad, it is bad, I’m saying that all the extras it gets makes up for it and could see it move to 11.3.
time will tell how it goes.
So yeah you pass 4 reloads then if you fire at all within those 20 seconds you are still stuck with a damn 7. second reload if you have a high level expert crew.
with a level 102 crew it’s still 7.5 seconds, which is the slowest reload at that BR bar the the Object 292 but that’s an event vehicle which is firing 152mm darts.
If spikes had their top down attack, then arena wouldn’t be able to take it out. But since Gaijin can’t give spikes their top down attack, arena shouldn’t be at the same br as vehicles with spikes.
Yep, total BS.
Especially given the 3 year old reports for the ready racks to be bigger and hte more recent report showing the current 4 rounds that make up the ready rack were actually removed for the TES/OES :D
But yeah, CR1 and CR2 I always get screwed by the tiny ready rack
I don’t see most of the arguments for this to go up in BR above the T90A personally, I consider it a side grade to the T90 since it has worse mobility and worse turret armor. granted it’s not much worse turret armor and not MUCH worse mobility, but it is noticeable. I believe that since it shares 3BM60 with the T90A and has worse armor and mobility in trade off for a mid arena and much better gun handling it makes sense to be the same BR. it has the same armor and mobility as the T-72B (1989) at 10.3 so in my opinion using either the armor or the mobility as an excuse for it to go up makes no sense. the round is already at the BR range and even lower (10.0 on the sprut-m) so that shouldn’t be a reason to go up, and the arena is a gimmick not a play style altering improvement, it’s nice to have but won’t matter against the vast majority of tanks, and either way it’s not even a broken APS like the iron fist or the VT4A1s APS which can stop some APFSDS rounds, I feel like this thing is just getting so much attention because ‘muh russian bias’ and that it shares a name with the T72B3.
That’s just my take on this whole argument, I really feel like it was added as a filler event until later on when the game feels filled out enough for more advanced prototypes instead of something that was game changing on it’s own, it adds nothing new to begin with and even at it’s own BR the only thing it brings is the APS which barely changes anything for most engagements.
