The OP doesn’t know ( the MM right now is crazy for the 55AM)
shhhhhhhhhh dont tell him, im having fun spading the bmp3, and t62m1. Ive barely gotten any uptier and when i go its tanks with no armor.
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I mean, he’s clearly just yapping or doesn’t even own the tank ( or, u know. The third and more likely reason)
PS: mix in the PT-57 if you got it ( it’s money printing on roids)
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Nah he owns it, 3200 kills, 1800 deaths. Lol hes just annoyed his 8.3 stomping tank got moved up.
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9.0 isnt even bad, as soon as you are in range of 10.3 its joever that blackhole is sucking you up every match.
Though i will say, at 9.0 it is vastly over shadowed by the t62m1. I think in time the stats for the t62m1 will go up, it will get moved up to 9.3. No one will play it because t72a is there.
Maybe gaijin will stop the circle of useless br changes and decompress a bit? My moneys on no though
Not really
the 55AMs much faster reload gives it an edge imo, the T-62M1 is just good to have for uptiers if you’re worried about 3BM25 being mid.
The mk 3/5 can hull down just fine, the armour is still enough to resist some apds like the dm13 and 100mm apfsds.
It was design with a “sniping” role in mind.
Not really the atgm still have to guide the missile all the time, you can just shoot and go back into cover, and the enemy has a lot of time to just get into cover.
The apds does fine, it is the best apds in game by a long shot.
Only the uparmored part of the turret cheeks has a relatively “good” armour, you can just aim to the hull or the turret breach.
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Nothing says hulldown monster quite like being effectively unarmored against a common 7.3/7.7 round.
Seriously, the second you come up against someone who even slightly knows what they’re doing, they’ll load HEAT and you are completely helpless. Or they’re just take a second to aim for the very easy to hit the weakspots of the turret, which any reasonably capable APDS round can get through. And, of course, APFSDS outside of 3BM25 just trivializes the entire thing.
I think the clip you shared is very telling. The player involved pushes two panicking, unstabilized MBTs, neither of them loading the correct shell, and they fire at whatever part appears first, which obviously bounces the round. I could do the same thing in any other remotely armored MBT at the tier.
Hull down spots for russian tanks with 5 degrees depression and 4-8km reverse are significantly less common than for HATO tanks.
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Yes, but the counterpoint is that the T-55AM-1 can achieve substantially better protection than a fully hulldown Cheiftain 3/5 by just covering it’s LFP. Which can be achieved on even the smallest of gradients. The T-55AM-1’s UFP is proof against all HEAT and most APDS rounds, while only being vulnerable to APFSDS and some very high performance APDS.
It’s also worth mentioning what happens when neither tank can go hulldown, which is relevant given how few maps there are that actually cater to a hulldown playstyle. And on those maps, the Chieftain is effectively unarmored, as anything stronger than M82 shot can effortlessly punch through the LFP, and almost everything can go through the UFP.
That’s barely 2kd lol I wouldn’t consider anything stomping unless the person has 4-5kd in them then it’s gaslighting.
The only strange thing is the powerhouse at 9.3 and how close the 9.0s are with them, Olifant MK2, Type 96 and a bunch of Magach with thermals and DM63 only at .3 apart, these guys shouldn’t be .3 apart with t-55 or obj 435, however if you say the T-55M it has something as strong as M111/DM23 equivalent then I think they can be .3 apart still wouldn’t look ridiculous.
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Except the lack of depression massively limits it hull down performance and places where it can use it.
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You dont really need to look at the 9.3, the chinese ztz88 are just better specially compared to the obj 435, the only “advantage” of the obj 435 is literally the 14.5, in every other single metrics they ztz are just better.
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On the handful of maps that have positions suitable for hulldown cover, sure. And even on those maps, anyone familiar with Soviet MBTs already knows positions they can use that don’t rely on gun depression that they’ve never had. Even when caught out in the open, the T-55AM-1’s armor is fairly consistent. The LFP is a fairly small target, and most players aim for the breach area.
Meanwhile, invert the situation, and put the Chieftain on any of the far more numerous maps where hulldown cover is scarce, in positions of marginal value, or non-existent (all city maps), and suddenly it’s primary advantage is meaningless.
Basically, the T-55AM-1 has reliable armor, but cannot easily go hull down, while the Cheiftain has reliable armor only when it is able to be hulldown.
On most maps you can use better positions with the higher depression, they are usually much better aswell, and you also have the advatage than in any situation when you will need to use the gun depression is a disadvantaje.
The breech area is quite easy to hit and incapacitate the tank, even 7.7 can do it reliably
Even on most city maps you can atleat cover one of the flag pretty well with the chieftain and they do have hulldown positions for it.
It does, LRF, ammunition, reload, composite hull armor, only thing the 435 has is slightly better turret cheek armor and a better mg, being smaller might give it a slight advantage but the vertical exhaust fumes might also make the 435 easier to spotted lol
While the T-55AM/AMD might lose everywhere, it has a better zoom than ZTZ88 and one of them has APS which can deny ATGMs or rockets which is a big plus.
You can play around lacking gun depression by moving to parts of the map where you don’t need it. You cannot play around relying on hulldown cover that doesn’t exist (or only exists in places that are unhelpful).
The exact same thing is true for the Cheiftain’s weakspot on the turret, to the right of the gun. That area is just as large as the breach weakspot of the T-55AM-1’s, is vulnerable to mostly the same sorts of rounds (The only rounds that can’t pen the Chieftain are the French 90, 100 and 120mms, which you’ll only see in full downtiers), and a shot there will take out the gunner and commander and/or horizontal drive. A shot into the breech of the T-55AM-1 may only take out the loader, if they aim for the wrong spot.
Even where you can technically go hulldown by using rubble, the sightlines you can control from that part are much more restricted compared to the sightlines available on maps that actually reward the hulldown playstyle. Plus, you are much more easily flanked, which also removes the value of locking down sightlines.
For a hulldown position to be effective, it needs to dominate a wide field of fire and/or cover important areas of the map. Just because you can hide your hull behind a random pile of rubble, that doesn’t make it a strong hulldown spot.
Why do you say that, they changed the AMD not the AM1, it will be also raised to 9.0 even in arcade ?
Have you even fired the Object 435 or check just how good its mobility is?