It needs urgent, serious decompression, especially after so many mid tier tanks went up to 5.7 and 6.0. There are 5.7s that should not be meeting Tiger II Sla, but the Tiger II Sla should also not meet the VIDAR, etc etc. You can only solve this logjam by decompressing. Localised decompression is only moving compression spots around, and this is the result.
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Others have already commented on the weakness of the American 6.7 lineup. I’ll talk a bit about the German side of things. I played 6.7 a lot when the T-54s were frequently met in full uptiers. The real problem the German 6.7 lineup has, is that there is a huge prevalence of heavily armoured vehicles, and a relative lack of the sort of vehicles you would feel more comfortable taking into a full uptier (emphasis on mobility).
If I can pen you, and you can pen me, the tank that does everything else better is the one you’d rather be in. In your example, say I’m in a Jagdtiger, I try the cupola shot against a hull down T-54 and like you mentioned this should work, but we all know what the live game is like about these things and so maybe I only kill the commander instead. Now I will have to patiently wait for 18.6 seconds and cede the initiative.
What makes the 6.7 German situation somewhat frustrating, is the fact that most of the time, the vehicles you can spawn will simply not be meta. You are presented, map after map and uptier after uptier, with situations where the most competitive choice would be to just spawn in a LeKPanzer anyway, get points and maybe get into CAS if you’re a pilot. I stubbornly still play these heavies, but even when I have good matches in them, I have that little voice at the back of my head saying that if I had gone with a more meta choice, I would have done even better.
But back to the T-54.
I still found it viable at the time pre decompression. What I mean by that is that when I faced T-54s in my Jagdtiger or my Sla, I felt like I could come out on top if I played my cards right, and also at the same time, I was a worse player then than I am now. I recently narrowly missed a nuke on Normandy using the Tiger II Sla in a full uptier, so it’s definitely a vehicle that can work in a full uptier environment, meta notwithstanding.
This discussion may be somewhat moot when the Tiger II inevitably moves to 7.0 with the next round of BR changes, but I suppose what it comes down to for me is this: the T-54s are not the kind of enemy that has powercrept German 6.7 into a frustrating spot, and the less competitive versions at least would be fine at 7.7 in the large scheme of things. But also at the same time, playing 6.7 is often depression-inducing, and for that reason alone, I still feel like the best solution for everyone involved would still be to just do some damn real decompression. That way, Tiger IIs don’t meet T-54s outside of the very earliest versions, and T-54s don’t suffer in the current 8.0 - 9.0 compression hell.
This came out ramblier than it sounded in my head, but it’s hopefully understandable all the same.
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The first three t54 variants without stab are some of the worst vehicles you can play in game. My advice avoid them like plague and strive for t62,bmp2,t10m at least
Bruv, I just unlocked the Type-59 and it is a pain to play, negative k/d and just tlow turret, and slow chassis.
Still better than the T-54’s because of the vertical stabiliser. The Soviets don’t even have the T-54A in game.
Make sure you get the Type 69 though, easily one of the best 8.0 tanks in the game hands down. APFSDS, 2 plane stabiliser and a LRF, all at 8.0.
Yeah, I am aware. So I just opted to skip the 1949 and 1951 mods. Type 59 is rough enough, minus the stab? hell nah.
Why tf is that 8.0???
Shit MM.
Like other said, it a victim of BR ‘gaijin’ decompression.
Personally i would skip it if this is the state T-54 get.
You should grind through it using sth like obj 906.
What they should do is give those T-54s the bullets that they historically used, lower the Br to 7.3 and 7.7, and instead add the T-54A in Br. 8.0, using the HEAT-FS as the best bullet, and to improve even further by separating the T-55 into two, a more initial one with the best APDS bullet and a more final one with the APDS-FS.
Problem is that round is the same round the 6.3 su-100p uses.
Also the armor of the 1949 is more trolly then other 2.
From my view, they just need another BR decompression, the proper one, move all the stablizer with laser and apfsds to at least 1., keep the non laser but with heat and stab as a gap before them.
You also have to keep in mind that the SU-100 should only be able to carry the first bullet, the rest are post-war (1953).
I am in favor of tanks using the bullets they really used, but you are also right that the tanks need to be separated better. I think it would be good to give the real bullets they used to the tanks and at the same time add more tank models to extend the Br and thus separate the vehicles more, for example by adding the T-54A and the M48A3 you can separate those two lines more.
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The SU-100 stayed in service and then reserve for a long while, so it’s very likely they would have been equipped with post-war shells.
In the post-war period, Egypt used it the most, and they used BR-417B ammunition.
Also from what you have said, I think that gaijin should balance the tanks by choosing a period of the model, for example the SU-100 from 1944-1945, the same as the IS-2 (1944), giving them what they had at that time, since the IS-2 (1944) during WW2 did not have the APCBC or the smoke canisters.
They could do that, but then most tanks would probably come stock with their best round, which would go against incentivising spending GE for modules.
Be interesting to see it tested though, a lot of BR changes would be needed and for tanks like the T-72A, which gets a late production run upgrade, would that unlock a new shell?
It also happens with the BMP-1, that you can put the modification to convert it into the BMP-1D, which is at least 10 years more modern than the base model, maintaining the same Br, although it is also because of how they have left the ATGMs in the game. It would be interesting to separate them into two different tanks, or in any case to change their Br, but of course, with a change in the damage model before, so that the change in the ATGM apart from the guidance is reflected in the damage.
I wanted to make a thread about these sort of mods. Personally I’d like them to be different vehicles, as I like collecting.
after spading Type 59, it is getting better with preformance. I have an about 1.3/1 K/D (most of the deaths from stock version), I usually get 1-4 kills per death. Some good games I get 6-8 kills without dying!
Again, the Type 59 is strictly better than the T54. The vertical stab is a huge advantage and the round selection is equivalent tot the T-54 1951.
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