However, Kontakt 1 doesn’t affect APFSDS at all, only Heat, so Leopard loses in that aspect. However, Turns should have at least 10.3, maybe 10.0, since it’s just a T-72A with Kontakt 1. Abrams in this BR I would say is mediocre, could you tell me what the initial version is like? I’m almost getting it.
I too prefer the UD however that’s because the majority of maps are not large and spacious. It’s the same reason why the 120s struggles despite it having one if the best rounds, 2nd gen thermals and reload.
MBT-70 with occasional armor and M774.
Also K-1 will eat M774 because it gives just enough protection to stop M774 on the turret.
I have over a thousand battles in the T-72 Turms, and what I’m saying is that it’s minimally competitive, but it’s mediocre, well below average. The T-80B and T-80UD are much better than it in almost every aspect. Most people here don’t even know what they’re talking about regarding the T-72AV.
5mm against KE? Even without Kontakt 1, the turret’s composite armor would stop an M774.
It most definitely does. Unless you’re referring to the Kontact 1 which I agree with.
The UD is extremely good because it has 11.7 armor at 10.3
That 5mm narrows the area you can pen next to the main gun, meaning you have to shoot directly next to the gun, LFP, or driver’s hatch.
I meant Kontact 1, my bad.
However, the Turms still isn’t a hard tank to kill, and I find them relatively easy to kill with an XM-1, much more so than a leopard 2.
The UD should be 10.7 now that it has a reload buff.
The TURMS is the one that tends to explode the most reliably for me when hitting the carousel.
turms is fine where it is UD is just undertiered
You’re the one that’s coping in here.
Nothing indicates 2S38 is performing so good at 10.3 that it needs to be moved up to 11.0, it’s only your blatant skill issues.
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HEATFS isn’t the primary round of tanks for 9.0 and above.
T-72AV is fine at 10.3, but your comment is hilariously wrong.
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Uhm? What ?
Its a T72A hull mate most 9.3s can pen it reliably without issue, at all.
Its a 10.3 tank though, OP just wants to stomp.
Chinese mbt is less mobile.
Worse weak spots.
The ztz96A coulr also easily be 10.7.
T72AV turms is a 9.3 hull brought up by the firepower and optics combined with reliable mobility bar reverse speed.
Skill issue is rife if you believe it needs to go down, hell it was one of my first premium tanks as well.
Horrible take
The entire Russian Premium line should be 9.7! No reason, just cause.
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i was specifically talking about its upper front plate as this was the subject of OP’s reason of moving it down (he said it cant upper front plate a ztz96a)
It would cope fine at 10.7, but as of the last while its not been overwhelmingly good nor bad at 10.3.
My only gripe is as always how effective all auto cannon tanks are…the bagliets at its BR is just as bad.
2S38 should be 9.0, RU has had enough suffering over the last month(s). RU players need to be given ‘compensation’ for their suffering.
And they should put all the BMD’s down to 8.0 while they are at it too.
🤡 /s
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My point still stands most tanks a lower BR can UFP a turms, it’s a T72A hull with ERA. Which has 5mm of kinetic protection
Sorry no the 2a4 can UFP a turms bud.
The turms has a worse reload, mobility, survivability and armour.
The difference is the turms has better optics and thermals