Also btw we know the t34 88 worked due to where it was in the yard it was found in the pile of tanks what were functional and went to refurbishment/scrap there was another pile where su88 was and was the not functional pile and we can see this due to the battle scars in it from being shot
There are no sources giving this information. If you give a fact, please provide some.
in russian hands, where they conducted tests, years after the war. They had plenty of time and pieces to make it worthy again.
307 tanks were taken in the surrendering, that’s already a lot. And going to the 88 wasn’t a desesperate attempt, it was often made. They would bring the tank canon to a nearby ship factory, and enlarge the barrel diameter to be able to shoot German shells, and it was said to be very effective, giving T-34-85 a better firepower. They almost never mounted german made canon into other tanks, since it was a very difficult task, and by example, the 88 KwK 37 i think was so big it would give almost no space inside a russian turret. One of the only example of this is a Kv-1 given a 75mm, which is in-game.
Showing that the 34-88, parked with them, should have been scraped. That’s a probable other reason that it did not saw combat.
How about it literally went to a German armoured battalion lmao
The vehicle was sent to refurbishment in 1946… That’s 1 year and there’s 0 evidence they tested it or anything. The vehicle was running and functional in German hands
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“There was an interesting unit in Kurland; Panzerbrigade Kurland, and they only had captured tanks. They had a Sherman and a General Leeand two T-34s. They took Russian 87mm, and took it to the ship wharf, and reamed it to 88. They shot 88 ammunition out of it. They were very inventive! Because up in Kurland, your back was against the water, you know.”
-interview with Wolfgang Kloth (a German tank commander during the war) at the 2008 AMPS (armor modelling and preservation society) international show, he discusses a Panzerbrigade in Courland, Latvia (spelled Kurland by the Germans)
A possible existence of the T-34-88/K20 does not automatically prove combat service. There are currently no confirmed combat reports, no verified kills, and no evidence the vehicle was operational before Soviet capture. Most modern discussions only argue the vehicle may have existed, not that it fought successfully. Being listed in or transferred to a battalion is not proof of combat use.
Not wrong but it’s likely it went to combat or was going since it was again already sent to a combat battalion after the 8.8 was fitted
Here okay I think I misunderstood what you were saying YES them reboring guns to fire German calibers were common but not for tanks that was a really uncommon
modification and eye witnesses as you might know it’s always 50/50 but towed anti tank were really common to get rebored
The tank did exist. That’s it end of story now if the tank fought saw combat or anything is unknown my honest guess is yes especially when we consider the su88 went and saw combat again seen by the damage it’s very liked the t34 88 fought along side it but that’s history we’ll never truely know 🤷♀️
Yep,
I’m just coming back on my problem,
it is litterlay just a copy paste that was able to shoot PzGr. With maybe a slighty worst velocity, since the barrel was tinner and not made to shoot those.
Nothing original, and there are enough russian tanks in germany.
Okay please tell me what other t34 85 fires German 8.8 ammo that’s in the game? Its the farthest thing from copy and paste lmao
Yea no lmao it’s not our fault 80 years ago Germans were in desperate situations and modfied alot we should have our German ammos on the t34 we have and our t34 88
I don’t in reality get what your issue is with uniquely modified vehicles for Germany 🤷♀️they are our modifications and should be treated as such in game
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Sumarize me what changes between the T-34-85 and the 88.
Nobody is denying Germany modified captured vehicles. That happened constantly. The issue is that the T-34-88/K20 specifically has basically no verified combat history.
There’s a huge difference between:
- ‘Germany experimented with or modified a vehicle’
and - ‘the vehicle was combat operational and deserves to be treated as a standard fielded combat vehicle.’
There are no confirmed kills, no combat reports, no wartime operational photos, and no evidence it even worked reliably before ending up in Soviet hands. A battalion transfer or refurbishment mention is not proof of combat use.
So unless actual evidence appears, claiming it was a functioning combat tank is speculation, not history.
I’m not against prtotypes or other less than fonctionnal tanks. I’m a huge Ho-Ri production player. But it is the fact that at the long term there would be more russian tanks in the german techtree than nazi’s tank themselves. I look around combat report in the Kurland offensive, and there wasn’t any non-german made tank that even fought there.
It doesn’t work like a subtree like thailand to Japan. It is a whole major nation in another techtree. It is like the issue with an M1A2T in the chinese techtree. Not entirely, but we’re not far. It is just not logic.
Yeah. It’s a stretch if the T-34-88’s will ever be added.
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Lmao about 20mm more pen (for the round you’d use) and about 50g of tnt
That has never once been a requirement for gajin. The 2a7V has never seen combat use so should we remove it or loads of Soviet stuff they were just prototypes so should we remove them
Yes there’s a different between a prototype that is believed to be operational and a bone stock right from the factory tank.
Again irrelevant and we know it worked fine because it wouldn’t of been sent to a combat unit if it didn’t work 🤷♀️
There really wouldn’t be lmao none is asking for copy and paste (apart from this suggestion what should only be for Germany) yes we want tanks Germany modified and used like the t34 88. The Soviets have their bigger gunned t34 it’s the t34 100
Completely irrelevant again but that’s because Taiwan and Chinese and in one tech tree why wouldn’t it be in their lmao
I mean it should for Germany the tank was likely functional or else it wouldn’t of left the mechanics and knowing theirs the su88 what again likely fought helps that point even more
Also what do you want here lmao they were pretty much surrounded desperately trying to scrounge tanks together in anyway to fight the Soviets ofc they weren’t keeping perfect documents or taking photos
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I disagree. They will probably use the same logic they use with the Black Eagle but this one is even more mysterious so chances of it being added is slim
but not impossible for both nations.
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Black Eagle was denied for the lack of a Autoloader thats not a issue here the gun is iffy ofc but it likely worked? Similar conversions with yk the kv1C and field guns show it was possible idk what the pressure ratings for the 85mm and 88 breaches. I’d think it worked and that it was tested before they sent it off but unless random documents appear it’s unlikely
Sure. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Courland Pocket spoils pack XD. It really depends on how Gaijin wants to approach these vehicles.
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I’d hope it wouldn’t turn into that lmao but honestly some of the modified vehicles imo would be perfect events I don’t agree at all with your point of adding it to the Soviets but I’d like to see them
So the only difference is the shell it shoots. And maybe not more pen, a tinner barrel means more subject to explode due to high pression inside.The D-5T was going up to 250Mpa, while the KwK 36 L/55 up to 294Mpa. This would led, with the same breech/ same shell since it’s a 1 piece munition with the shell+cartridge the explosion of the barrel; so it has to be lowered.
The problem isn’t that it’s a German modification or that it maybe existed, the problem is that people are treating it like a fully documented operational combat vehicle when there’s almost no hard evidence for that. Gaijin adding prototypes is nothing new, but the difference is that vehicles like the T-34-100, Object tanks or Leopard 2A7 variants are extensively documented with proper photos, specs, testing records and confirmed operational status.
The T-34-88/K20 has none of that. There are no confirmed kills, no combat reports, no verified wartime operational photos, no detailed testing data, and no proof it was actually combat-ready before falling into Soviet hands. Saying
“it was sent to a battalion so it obviously worked” is pure speculation, especially in late-war Germany where incomplete, improvised and barely functional vehicles were constantly thrown around units out of desperation. So yes, a German-modified T-34 is plausible, but claiming it was a proven operational tank is simply not supported by the evidence we currently have.
Yes it is, and this situation is in the exact same position as the VT-4 for Japan, where Gaijin said it is not logic to get in a techtree a tank from their nemesis; aka US and Russia rn. Even tho they still added the M1A2T for China.
It was documented to be operational although there’s a lot of missing pieces in those I get but it was in ww2 Germany opinion ready
Again that’s because the desperation there wasn’t the time for documents and test drives and photos and everything and even if those documents existed they likely ended up on a firepower before the Soviets got there
Not obviously but likely worked. The engineers weren’t stupid the conversion was done really well and it has worked in a few other conversations see su88 (again speculation because who knows but it was shot and knocked out) and mainly the sheer amount of Soviet 85 and 75mm towed guns reborded for German ammos. I’ve never said it was proven operational since that’s impossible with what we have im saying it’s likely operational but who knows.
Because china isnt Russia?? Lmao it’s a separate nation with okay enough relations with everyone par Japan and there was never true evidence for a Thai vt4 only from leaks nothing official by gajin
That’s also not exactly something modeled yet within the game
HUM
VT4 with it’s barrel exploded in combat against Cambodia.
