Except the embezzlement and massive corruption around the program leading to not having a production line ready despite the funds being allocated multiple times, and the airforce has been stagnating for a long time now
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Remember this is a game which claims historical accuracy, and the people 0laying it are AFV nerds, whilst what youre saying makes gameplay sense go add chinese and russian aps to the game would imply a efty amount of guesswork. Something like trophy is very well known, its battle proven and data is available, iron fist is newer and untested but plenty of footage of its effect is around and its manifacturer specs are avalable. Arena - M has manifacturer specs avalable, but there is little footage of it, rn i can only remember a video of it intercepting a pg7v and it wasnt mounted on a vehicle, not to mention il fairly sure the video im referring to isnt off arena-m but the older arena.
It doesnt claim “historical accuracy”, just being “most realistic”, otherwise we gonna return to 60% armour efficiency/protection to late-war German vehicles because of poor quality steel. Besides, ALL modern MBTs is either a guess work and/or some data from decades old tender (And thats not to mention whole circus around aicraft and their performance)
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im 99% sure it uses the word historically accurate in at least a few ads. also most realistic still implies realistic implementation.
This is video of Arena aps
And I’m sorry for music but this is a video of Arena-M
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thanks mate i hadnt seen this ones!
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I agree with you t14 Armata is facing a lot of problems because of the embezzlement of allocated resources but from what I’ve heard the main reason why they are not producing t14 in significant numbers is due to engine overheating and consuming a huge amounts of oil and fuel As well as current situation where t90m is more cost effective vehicle and cheaper to produce estimates range that one t14 armata cost as much as 2.5 times more then t90m
Plus there is no good way to counter drones for the t14s weekly armor turret
T-14 is also obsolete now due to the non-armored turret.
I would disagree but I would like to know your opinion on why do you think that way
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now all you said is valid, but we’re missing the elephant in the room here, if we look at the all the footage available off the t14 armate, a keen eye would see there are clear design inconsistencies between the produced vehicles. now if that is because the lack of production line means the vehicle have to be made by hand (which shouldnt produce design inconsistency if made by skilled workers with the proper equipment), or it is because the t14 is a prototype forced into production its up in the air.
on a different note im pretty sure russia is regretting not going for the t80 platform instead of the t90, as that has been the preferred tank by both ukranians and many russians.
inconsistencies? I apologise but I’m not really aware of what are you referencing
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So Leclerc, Type 10, SEP3 fire control systems all can aim for tank weak spots of known tanks automatically with little gunner input.
It’s safe to say modern IFVs will be using similar fire control systems soon enough.
Without armor to resist any amount of rounds, the turret gets destroyed first shot every time, and that’s a T-14 out of commission for weeks for repair.
T-14’s design was good for the 1990s and early 2000s, but today it needs an armored turret.
That’s why even Abrams X has an armored turret, to protect the electronics and the gun.
A crew might be more expensive than a tank, but 3 tanks is more expensive than a crew.
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I would like to say the turret is meant to be disposable From what I’ve heard if t14 was produced in good numbers the maximum replacement time of a turret would be 24h I have talked a few tankers and unfortunately I don’t think you are correct targeting systems don’t really aim for weak spots of the tanks in real life you just aim at tank and shoot As one of the people I talked to would like to say you shoot at the tank until it changes shape or catches fire
The issue is if the turret is damaged, so can the hull.
An entire inspection of the hull would be required, and of course any repairs.
It’s at least a week process.
Inspection, remove, inspection, repair, inspection, replace, inspection, off the line.
Of course you need to be producing more spare parts than most tanks.
There’s more reason to why T-90M is being produced more: It’s armored and better fit to fight on the modern battlefield than T-14.
Of course in War Thunder it matters less, cause T-14’s turret will be repaired in 30 seconds anyway.
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True at the end of the day it is a game But even if it takes longer than you suggested To repair a vehicle I still believe it would be cheaper to repair than anything currently in use as an example Let’s say Abrams blowout panel detonates you still do need to replace a big portion of The Turret And you need to replace the engine cover and the engine itself As an example Unfortunately I cannot find any better picture but here is a picture of the turret bustle melting and melted metal melting through engine cover and burning the engine as well
Now this is not common issue however it is something to consider
To my knowledge, the only program affected by corruption was Kurganets. It could be happening, just that it isn’t reported.
But no, the delays for the program are mostly or entirely because of political indecision regarding the platforms cost vs overall aquisition priorities. Just in 2019 the first contract was signed, for example. Same for T-90M, they could have started producing it all the way back to 2013 but they prefered to do mass cheap upgrade to T-72 instead.
not obsolete but defo that turret needs some new cover with some composite addition that would be able to protect it against at least basic stuff like 20 mm autocannon or RPG7
i doubt it is easily replacable in 24 hours but alvis is not completely wrong, there is a system called hotspot detection where it aims to a generalized area where the system detects it can be a possible penetration depending on what it detects, and this allows it to aim lower center of mass or upper depending on the detected target
this does happen in game your engine can catch on fire if you leave your ammorack burning on top of it , has happened to me more than once before and it is annoying