It doesnt claim “historical accuracy”, just being “most realistic”, otherwise we gonna return to 60% armour efficiency/protection to late-war German vehicles because of poor quality steel. Besides, ALL modern MBTs is either a guess work and/or some data from decades old tender (And thats not to mention whole circus around aicraft and their performance)
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im 99% sure it uses the word historically accurate in at least a few ads. also most realistic still implies realistic implementation.
This is video of Arena aps
And I’m sorry for music but this is a video of Arena-M
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thanks mate i hadnt seen this ones!
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I agree with you t14 Armata is facing a lot of problems because of the embezzlement of allocated resources but from what I’ve heard the main reason why they are not producing t14 in significant numbers is due to engine overheating and consuming a huge amounts of oil and fuel As well as current situation where t90m is more cost effective vehicle and cheaper to produce estimates range that one t14 armata cost as much as 2.5 times more then t90m
Plus there is no good way to counter drones for the t14s weekly armor turret
T-14 is also obsolete now due to the non-armored turret.
I would disagree but I would like to know your opinion on why do you think that way
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now all you said is valid, but we’re missing the elephant in the room here, if we look at the all the footage available off the t14 armate, a keen eye would see there are clear design inconsistencies between the produced vehicles. now if that is because the lack of production line means the vehicle have to be made by hand (which shouldnt produce design inconsistency if made by skilled workers with the proper equipment), or it is because the t14 is a prototype forced into production its up in the air.
on a different note im pretty sure russia is regretting not going for the t80 platform instead of the t90, as that has been the preferred tank by both ukranians and many russians.
inconsistencies? I apologise but I’m not really aware of what are you referencing
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To my knowledge, the only program affected by corruption was Kurganets. It could be happening, just that it isn’t reported.
But no, the delays for the program are mostly or entirely because of political indecision regarding the platforms cost vs overall aquisition priorities. Just in 2019 the first contract was signed, for example. Same for T-90M, they could have started producing it all the way back to 2013 but they prefered to do mass cheap upgrade to T-72 instead.
not obsolete but defo that turret needs some new cover with some composite addition that would be able to protect it against at least basic stuff like 20 mm autocannon or RPG7
they shut down “production” and as far as its known the t14s in existence might not even have had an aps or ir systems fitted…
It did, they even tested it with successful results.
as far as russia tells you that is, theyve release footage of every one of their aps undergoing succesfull test, that is besides afghanit, and lets be real here, theyve been trying to make a good aps for decades, they were getting there with arena, them starting a new whole new system is VERY unlikely to reach any results. trophy has been continually improved for decades, it underwent tons of combat and it got better as a result, Iron fist is a newer system and it hasnt seen any combat or at scale adoption yet, and its made by a country with significantly better resources than russia. until they actually show anything, even a video of it intercepting a simple Rpg warhead like they did with original Arena, it might as well not exist
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Well, it exists and people should definitely find an way to cope with that.
Do we have solid proof of it working or is it just a mockup of how they visualize the actually functioning system to work?
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They’ve released images.
Well show them then. If people are sceptical about the system working then show the proof rather than just saying that it’s out there somewhere.
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