ik and i stated myself that 800 mm of penetration its an overestimation; 660 to 700 mm of penetration its a closer value
Not reeallt “rumored” its what they claim, now theyve not showed any proof for those claims and the aps hasnt really seen any use yet. So id take that with a grain of salt, also they claim to have a remote controller machine gun capable of tracking and shooting down incoming missiles.
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That video does have a few pieces of straight up wrong info (like the sla 16 thing isnt backed by anything) but it does point out how absurd the t14 procurement is goinf and the claimed capabilities are.
The second one it’s more doubtfull than the first one at least the aps thing seems more viable but the second one it’s uh shady
neither of the options is likely, the russians have claimed to have a functioning aps capable of competing with trophy for years now, though we’ve not seen any adoption yet, i wonder why, not even their usual “adoption” in which they build a dozen vehicles with it and then just forget about it for a decade, as for the machinegun, the idea is bad in the first place.
yeah no mate. that ain cutting it.
Arena-M was adopted though.
i think ive seen a single picture of it being put onto a tank and ive never seen it besides then, never appeared in actual combat, which for something that was fitted onto t72s and t90s as a way to show off its adoption just leaves me very skeptical on the scale of its adoption, i dont think ive seen more than a picture of it being on a tank, especially cause now with the rapid decommision of the soviet t80 stocks russia has been commtting fully to making t90m, you’d expect to see more Arena-m’s being used if that was actually adopted. yet to see a single one tho
We know several contacts were signed at Army-2024 for the Arena-M to be installed, so it’s not hard to assume adoption.
that really doesnt mean anything in the context of russia though. im not using their definition of adoption here.
until they start to actually put into a service a relevant number of tanks(in general afvs) with it my argument still stands.
That’s fine, either we we know they exist and can be added.
not a big fan of adding such an uknown system, especially when its claimed capabilities are quite good
I think it’s needed, especially with the dawn of cas.
eh i personally wouldnt mind if the t90ms had that extra survivability, espeacially because thats as good as the tank is going to get, alot of people would complain tho.
People complain about Soviet additions no matter what, it’s nothing new.
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Priorities. You look at Russian procurement for the past 15 years you see that AFV, maneuver assets were deprioritized when compared to modernization to the air force, navy and high tier systems like S-400, S-500, Iskander, Yars and the plethora of hypersonic stuff they have. We can debate if that was the right call or not but the (painfully slow) progress on the Armata program isn´t explained by something going wrong with the platform itself.
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People gonna complain for anything remoutely “good” or unique for the SU TT, so thats aint new. If anything, we can just make it fair by giving all (future) tops APS. Abrams with Trophy, ZTZ99A with new APS (was spotted recently), IIRC Brits also aim to install APS on their new tanks.
I mean kind of makes sense why, from a technical standpoint the functionality of arena m is up to debate, and from a game standpoint the ussr already have a very goo fleshed out tree
Except the embezzlement and massive corruption around the program leading to not having a production line ready despite the funds being allocated multiple times, and the airforce has been stagnating for a long time now
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Remember this is a game which claims historical accuracy, and the people 0laying it are AFV nerds, whilst what youre saying makes gameplay sense go add chinese and russian aps to the game would imply a efty amount of guesswork. Something like trophy is very well known, its battle proven and data is available, iron fist is newer and untested but plenty of footage of its effect is around and its manifacturer specs are avalable. Arena - M has manifacturer specs avalable, but there is little footage of it, rn i can only remember a video of it intercepting a pg7v and it wasnt mounted on a vehicle, not to mention il fairly sure the video im referring to isnt off arena-m but the older arena.