M46 can kill a T-10M, but M47s other characteristics are better for dealing with them.
First the T29 is a premium and the T95 is a meme tank like the Maus so them having a good matchmaker isn’t a priority. Why are you even trying to fight a heavy in another heavy while fully uptiered? The T-10M has mediocre mobility you can just go somewhere else.
AMX 13-90, AML 90, RU 251 and M46 all have HEAT and can frontally penetrate and kill the T-10M. Spalling isn’t an issue because the crew is packed so tight together.
Technically speaking, most vehicles can kill anything, but the M46 just has a very unfavorable matchup against the T-10M because it’s super outclassed in the 3 main perameters of what makes a good vehicle, speed, firepower, and armor.
It will meet the T-10M only in a full uptier so its naturally outclassed but it can still deal with it. How is the M46 less mobile than the T-10M? It has the same top speed but has much better acceleration. You’re calling 1kph slower super outclassed?
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Having all vehicles be viable against all vehicles in the BR range is a good goal, if your only option in a heavy is to avoid confrontation with another heavy, that doesn’t seem super balanced.
As for the lights, the Heat-FS perfoemance against a T-10M will be very swingy and inconsistent, even with a poorly spaced crew, the direction and lack of spall will still be a problem, plus the T-10M can point it’s 14.5mm at any of these said lights and delete them (best machine gun for this imo), as for the mobility, it’s better than any superheavy, closer to an American M60, and the so idk where that argument came from.
T-10M already outclasses 7.3 significantly, so it’s downtier performance is already good enough, having zero armor and ranged effectiveness screws over other tanks like the M46 and FV4202 which just have to play it safe, similarly, T-10M performs fine against other 8.3s, it’s good there, if they continue the decompression it may be good for 8.7
What? The 14,5mm can’t delete a T29 and also heavy vs heavy is like this every time.
Tell me what can a T26E5 / T26E1-1 / Tiger 2H do against a T32E1 / Maus / IS-3 / IS-4 / T-10A?
Or worst of all what can the T32E1 or Maus do against the Object 279?
I already wrote this a few hours ago but it isn’t even a strong vehicle in a downtier. As said these are the 6 tech tree vehicles it will see in a 7.3-8.3BR game that can’t penetrate it frontally.
T32, T32E1, Ho-Ri Production, Chart 25t, Lorraine 40t, AMX-50 (TOA100)
Why is the Tiger 2H at 6.7 when it can’t frontally penetrate the IS-3 at 7.0?
T32e is fine, they have plenty of weak spots, maus and UFO are just hard to balance period because of how unique they are even in their own class.
To repond to your other post, Tiger 2H does front pen IS3, and it even goes through slightly angled treadwell on IS6, while having a superior reload time, tbh I’m surprised Tiger 2H isn’t going up to 7.0, T-10M has a stabilizer and can front pen all those, so it’s clearly not struggling except into a max uptier, so maybe to balance it out move the things with more potent tech up, I’d be very fine with that being the conclusion this discussion reaches
T32E1 has no frontal weakspots and if you call pixel hunting a weakspot the T-10M has a massive cupola that can get penetrated by almost all the tanks it faces.
Turret ring seems to work often enough against it, it also has the plate on top of it’s turret, also, the T32E1 has a weaker shell, no stabilizer, lower mobility, which is why it’s at a lower BR, and I see no issue with this.
T-10M should be compared to the Conqeuror not the T32E1as it’s the most similar vehicle having a full stab and good APDS. The Conqueror has better protection against HEAT with its add on armor and better survivability especially against HEAT and APDS but also against APHE thanks to its size. If you hide the LFP and that can be easily done with -10 degrees gun depression its stronger than the T-10M but sits at 7.7 instead of 8.3. Again I’m only asking for 8.0 where it wouldn’t see and club 6.7 like the Conqueror and the 7.7 can. The T32 being at 7.7 is a lot worse for 6.7 vehicles than the T-10M at 8.0 would be to 7.0 vehicles.
Or if the Conquerer is that powerful, uptier it to 8.0, see how it does, and if it’s still clubbing, move it to 8.3.
Although I doubt it would be statistically placed past 8.0 due to the terrible mobility and reload alongside the lackluster spalling of APDS.
The Conqueror has a slightly faster reload than the T-10M and it’s a much bigger problem at 8.3 than at 7.7. Mobility is the only thing thats much worse than on the T-10M but it can act as a sniper with its rangefinder that the T-10M doesn’t have. The spalling problem affects the T-10M too.
Not on APHE which the conq doesn’t have, the conqueror is better at some things and worse at others, it’s sluggish mobility amd reaction time makes it horrendous at close ranged combat, it’s a good sniper, but the non-laser rangefinder doesn’t help too much, the only thing I’d be concerned about is it’s performance in full downtier, so I don’t think 8.0 would be bad, especially with 9.0 mostly going to 9.3
Also, the Russian 8.3 lineup is nuts, which is why the T-10M will still have a higher BR, British 8.3 is very mediocre and it’s 8.0/7.7 is good but not that good, not a comment on the vehicle itself, but something to look at for sure.
The APHE doesn’t fuze on light tanks and has problems penetrating MBTs or heavy tanks like the Conqueror if it weakspots are hidden. Even a non laser rangefinder is a huge advantage when your reload is >15s.
That’s why you have apds, for heavy targets, and the 14.5mm I was praising earlier for light targets, it’s perfectly fine, just take some of each round, or even HE if you prefer that for lights, if it’s something like a Bradley or any of the larger lights, APHE will fuse just fine, though I mainly use it for mediums lile Centurions, M60, or poorly armored heavies like the Cheiftains.
This isn’t even exclusive to the T-10M, I reccomend doing this for all your tanks, have a round that’s good for every target where possible.
Your joking right? Please explain to me how 90mm heat is insufficient when it has no problem punching through the armor of the T-10 at almost any angle? This is the core Issue with the T-10, your trading some mobility and reload rate for a large gun and thick armor, and yet your outcompeted both in fire power and mobility at your own BR, and your armour isn’t worth jack since most tanks you gave even in a downtier have ammo that has no problem bypassing your armor. Your a heavy tank that only gets too deal with the disadvantages of being a heavy tank and you can’t enjoy any of the benefits of your armor majority of the time. This basically means your a medium tank with a long reload, which isn’t a fun experience. The fact that most people can sit here and justify that is strange too me
It’s really not, so long as you avoid the gun Mantle you shouldn’t have any issues, also the 122 on the T-10 gets clipped on plates of armour all the time even when it should easily pen. There’s nothing more frustrating than having my AP shell absorbed by the gun Mantle of a leopard or TAM and then having to wait twice as long as the enemy does to shoot again.
I think the fundamental issue I have with your argument, is that it seems like you don’t want the T-10M to actually have the chance to be a heavy tank. Yess the 14.5 is nice but it doesn’t help much when even 7.0 light tanks can outflank you before you even notice and put heat right into the side of your turret. Also there’s still a lot of light tanks that are either difficulty to kill from the front or outright impossible like the Centauro or TAM. Ontop of this given my long reload and the fact that my armor dosnt actually protect me, I’d say by all means this heavy tank should go down too 8.0. oh and it’s Russian so we have no gun depression, meaning that unlike the Conq we can’t use hills too our advantage, forcing the T-10M into a more aggressive play style. The T-10M is totally killable even in a full downtier, and like some people have Said earlier, in a max downtier you would only face at most 4 T-10M’s.