sweedish 9.7 and 10.3 spaa overtiered…
how this sh = with this? no radar and gunner have 0 protection + fire one missile
or this have 10.3 br
or thunguska highter wiah only 0.4 br and better in all aspect… better missile,radar, have guns
or this have 10.3 br
or thunguska highter wiah only 0.4 br and better in all aspect… better missile,radar, have guns
Don’t forget the Downtier, Spaded has a 7 km-range missile that can take 8.7 Planes, but of course if it gets a uptier , it’s a dead duck, ready to get its face blown off.
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this is also true for other spaas to get downtier…
Yeah, what you’re seeing is a compression issue, all those anti-air at 10.3 should be in different BRs.
15 degree horizontal rotation speed. Anything under 2km you can barely track unless its coming right at you and not moving (in which case you are dead because you are open topped vs rockets). The only thing at 8.7 you are good vs is the B52 and TU95… not a good benchmark. Add to that there is no 9.7 sweden list. I wouldn’t even take it in 9.3. Its teired at its tech level despite being the worst example of its tech level. Other vehicles like this get preferential BRs. The IKV with 400 pen heatfs is at 4.0 for a good reason, its barely functional. This thing is barely functional but is at br with functional examples and in a br bracket with huge advancements in SPAA at every br step.
The excuse ‘everything is at the wrong br’ is just laughable. ‘everything is compressed’ is the calling of the ignorant. They could add another 5.0 brs, rebalance, and people would still complain about compression.
sure, but you only have a max elevation of 35, meaning you can only fight low level planes strafing, which is rare (because at 9.7 there is about a thousand vehicles with auto cannons that can delete cas doing this), and helicopters…
problem with this is, well one you just cant track planes going low (because theyre going fast) meaning they gotta be coming at you for you to kill them… which is a major safety issue, secondly for helicopters, most helicopters are gonna react to your sam before you can reach them (thank you 580m/s max speed) leaving just rocket rushers and poor saps playing the worse atgm heli in the game, the swedish HKP3C, which is an issue, because youre also sweden.
really the only time the 701 is on par with something like a type 93, is if fighting a low level heli, other than that its just worse in every way and realistically the 701 should be 9.0
9.7 is worse than 10.0~10.7, what a surprise. You do get a HEAT missile with this thing so maybe you should try using it, though you could probably be playing russia and the krizantema (and actually shturm as well) does everything better at the same BR.
The 2S6, OSA, and Rolands are very undertiered currently. Even the Swedish SPAAs are kinda silly in downtiers.
Yep. The roland has more ammo, autoloader, 2 tubes, search and track radars + IRST, an actual turret, and missiles with a ton explosive filler that also makes it functional against ground vehicles.
I have no idea why it’s at 9.7 while the flarak with same missiles is at 10.0, I guess the devs think the separate tracking radar is a big advantage? Maybe it’s players are better and it’s just based on stats, but it’s german so I highly doubt that
its actually one key thing. the roland one has a max elevation of 35, while the flak is 80
French roland does not get IRST
Edit: Nevermind, it gets IRST, it just can’t search with it, and can’t track with radar.
Idk I was told they are OP and have 200mm pen and should be 12.0 so maybe skill issue and cope on your part?
Warning I am not responsible for loss of braincells
Well the game says it does, and so does the wiki. Maybe it was missing at some point in the past but it is there right now.
Does it only apply to tracking? It doesn’t let me switch in the PPI.
Edit: Oh, now I see. It can’t search in IRST, and it can’t track with radar cause the tracking dish is just gone.
This MIGHT be the worst take of all time.
Roland’s are piss easy to dodge. Played against them with CAS and used them and both times they are very easy to dodge.
Never see Swedish players bringing these out ever honestly. OSA is the dominant 10.3 AA while Ozelot is the way to go for anything lower than that along with the LAV.
Sweden kind of gets screwed over in the SPAA department. They get the ITPSV and that’s all that’s noteworthy.
Then surely I’d see people dodging them when using rolands. I’ve spawned free Roland tanks atleast a couple dozen times now, across playing Boxer MGS, R400, M1128, and French CV90. I can remember one time that a MiG-21 gave me some trouble, but he died after a few rolands anyways cause planes have limited energy.
Now, to be fair, I am pretty good at dodging rolands, however practically performing CAS whilst dodging rolands isn’t a very realistic expectation.
Certainly doesn’t help that rolands are paired against 1940s-50s planes.
Then we are playing 2 completely different games.
I’m able to dodge Roland’s with ease even in Orion drones, and you absolutely can keep a laser on a target and take them out while being fired upon by a Roland, since I don’t think the can move while they have a missile out.
This isn’t even dipping into just flying low to avoid detection from them, which is pretty easy, especially since they can’t fire on you effectively once you pass them due to their turret traverse (same reason why they can’t fire at close range).
Roland’s face 1950’s planes because they are an early SAM system that is severely gimped in game (screwed over by those missile changes a few years back). It doesn’t surprise me that a Mig-21 died to it, as that thing pisses energy away crazy fast. But he should have never been in a position where a Roland can get an accurate firing solution on him, especially since he didn’t have laser guided weaponry, meaning he shouldn’t be high up in the air at all.
Regardless, the Roland is in no way shape or form overpowered. It is just meh, and nothing more. The OSA is better in terms of missiles, but it cannot fire close due to launcher elevation and its glacial turret traverse.
The 2S6 is the only one of the 3 that is consistently strong in every situation. Then again though, the Tram outranges it with AGM-123’s, so it really shouldn’t go up.
Well, Harriers and F-100Ds aren’t exactly laser guided missile equipped drones are they? Maybe the rolands should be at a BR where they never face such planes.
Flying low doesn’t really seem to work unless it’s an urban map like Sweden.
Rolands work pretty well against targets <1 miles away.
That’s a bit of an overstatement. Rolands are very competent missiles.
No, it is certainly overpowered.