You are talking to a guy who belives that air should always have the upper hand.
I know, it a pointless but I’m just trying to understand how an individual comes to that conclusion.
Sorry, but just because you personally suck at using them, doesn’t mean they’re weak.
So you think a plane should cost 70sp? That’s an interesting take.
Ooh! Ooh! My turn! Ok, let’s see:
How exactly can one suck at using SAMs? I suppose firing them at an inopportune times, but once they’re in the air, there is approximately FA you can do to effect them.
Your ability to misunderstand what someone is talking about, and still use a straw man fallacy is honestly impressive.
They are talking about you. In every topic I see you in, you are either pushing for one aircraft or another (that you seem to have never played, go figure) to be nerfed, or bawling about how CAS needs to be buffed, or SPAA nerfed.
And if you’re going to use a straw man fallacy, make it at least slightly reasonable.
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That is actually a great question. It became even more confusing that people can fail to use em after the PPI was added (and subsequently removed the last bit of skill required).
No, you and ULQ simply misunderstood what he was talking about. If CAS were to be equal in strength to SPAA, then it would need to be the same cost as SPAA.
Because CAS costs more, it needs to be stronger to maintain balance.
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My point was that, unless you are spamming your missiles (or smth else I haven’t thought of), you can’t be bad at using SAMs, but you definitely can be bad at CAS. Take that as you will.
You misunderstood me this time, and are now saying that ULQ misunderstood themselves? I’m not even going to touch this, bc it’s simply to much of a mess already.
CAS is one of, if not the most debated topics in the game, and certainly won’t be solved here. My opinion is that CAS is fine the way it is, but there should be a CAS-less gamemode for those who don’t want to deal with it.
- That wasn’t for you specifically, but I’ll answer it nonetheless
- That is what gaijin themself (or maybe a forum mod, i can’t fully remember lmao) have said. And even if they didn’t, it makes sense, bc then you’d be settling for compression, which no one (sane) wants
People can’t definitely be bad at using SAMs. I don’t understand how, but the fact that some people think the rolands are weak is proof of it.
Yeah, pretty much everything ULQ says is abit of a mess.
ohh, that makes sense.
I’m glad
NOT what I said, nor what I meant. I was talking about that whole argument; I can’t be bothered clarifying everything.
I’m going to assume you meant ‘…can definitely…’ so in that case:
It’s not proof of it, as (brushing over the fact that you straw manned the original argument of rolands only being not op) the players saying that one specific missile isn’t op are almost certainly playing other missile SPAA the same way, leaving the only variable as the missile, which isn’t controlable by the player, therefore people saying the missile isn’t op compared to other missiles is decent evidence.
In addition, you being the only person arguing for it being op, with multiple arguing against, doesn’t help your cause at all.
I am done now, because I have a life and have had enough of your fallacies, at least for now.
I will reiterate my above point for everyone, bc this is an important topic that should be addressed.
They cannot possibly be playing the same way if they’re struggling with rolands.
I’d disagree. It would be fair to say it’s less OP than other SAMs, but saying it doesn’t need to be raised simply because it’s not the best is just a bad faith argument.
You’re talking about players that think CAS can only be balanced by removing it. They will never claim that any SPAA in any context is too strong. In other words, they have nothing to add to the discussion, as you can already know they will exclusively take the side of CAS too strong SPAA too weak.
Ok, rapid-fire, then I’m done fr:
Argument from incredulity
No one said it needs to be the best. Straw man fallacy (I may have misinterpreted this, but it was quite difficult to desipher)
Easily one of the most obvious straw mans I have ever seen; to quickly acknowledge the last point, not a single person has said that CAS is too strong, or that SPAA is too weak, only that a single type of missile isn’t overpowered.
Now I am truely done, and I would appreciate you not trying to drag this out further, because, again, this isn’t what this topic post is for.
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They’re not strawmans. It’s their own arguments
This topic is closed please use this topic here for BR topics
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