Why is every single plane in the swedish air tree rank6 is overtiered ? J29f being 9.0 is a joke. It should be 8.7 yet its 9.0 so it always faces uptiers. Dont even get me started with the j32b. Does gaijin hate sweden or did they just forget rank6 exists.
Unfortunatlely 8.0 – 10.0 is probably the most compressed BR in the game, with most 7.7 and 9.0 planes getting hit the hardest by those matchmaker lobbies. It doesn’t help that when they moved all of the meta Cold War jets down (MiGs and Sabres), they didn’t touch anything from other nations of that era.
So more often than not, best case, queueing as a minor nation in something of that era will pull pit you against superior aircraft that are somehow the same BR, worst case you’re sucked into an uptier where you’re just waving at dudes as they fly by.
While I haven’t got around to playing the J29F yet, I’ve spaded both of the two early chunky boi SAABs, one before the the Sabres and MiGs moved down and one after. A 8.0+ lobby is pretty brutal for them now. I imagine the J29F is the same way just up one BR. I’ll say that when I have faced them, they sometimes surprise me with their energy/acceleration—probably because my brain thinks they’re one of the earlier ones without an afterburner.
I recently starting spading the A32A and don’t mind it, probably because I’ve gutted my way through spading the F-86K in two of three nations. While you’re not going to beat anything like a MiG17/19 in a fair fight, you can rat plane your way through matches and it has pretty solid energy retention and responsive control surfaces at most speeds allowing for some fun reversals and energy traps. It’s not a meta plane by any means, but much more viable than people seem to give it credit for.
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Basicaly. J29f constantly faces 18g missiles with no flares or no way of dodging.
Yeah, but a lot of 9.0 and 9.3 planes do. That’s a situational awareness/positioning issue, not an aircraft performance issue. It’s not hard to clock the planes carrying those prior to the merge and avoid giving them your cheeks.
I play and enjoy the hell out of the French F8 and early Mirages in both France and Israel and those are flareless at 10.0 and face way more missile trucks and all aspects missiles than you’ll see in a 9.0 aircraft.
The A32A has the same matchmaker as the plane you’re complaining about and the only time I feel cheated out of a fair match is when all of my downtiered teammates carrying said 18G missiles die 3 minutes into the game.
The J29F isn’t exactly incredible, but it’s solid for what it is. It’s more or less a “do everything” plane. It’s characterstics are all pretty much average, there’s nothing it excels at, but also nothing it can’t do either.
This results in a kinda unusual playstyle where, instead of playing to your strengths, you have to play to your enemies weaknesses. But this relies on knowing the relative performances of every plane int the MM, so it’s not exactly easy. Generally, your best bet while learning is to wait on the outskirts of a fight, and jumping on the first person to put themselves in a compromising position. You’ll get a feel for which planes you can outpull, which ones you can out energy, and which just need to be avoided. The guns are a little weird to aim, but you get buckets of ammo for them, so it kinda evens out.
The J32A though, is rock solid as far as 9.3 goes. You have the thrust of an F-100 without sacrificing agility for it. You’ll still want to play for energy instead of constantly turning, but that extra agility helps with getting deflection shots and one-circling low energy targets. The firepower is devastating, those 4 30mms in the nose hit extremely hard, and now that they have tracers are relatively easy to aim. Their only real weakness is the lack of rounds, but solid trigger discipline gives you more than enough trigger time to win. You also get 4 AIM-9B, which is a nice utility, as well as having rocket pods you can use for ersatz flares.
You still have to worry about high G missiles, but the J32A gives you the tools you need to minimize the threat, and it’s all in the energy. You’re easily able to match or exceed the energy of any missile bus around the BR except F8s in a full uptier. That means you can simply position yourself to never give the enemy a shot at you. That’s not to say that it’s easy, it requires constant vigilance and excellent situational awareness to pull off, but once you have a handle on it stuff like the Harriers, A-5s and Yak 38s cease to be as problematic.
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Yes, but 8.7 would be curb stomping pretty much.
NGL, that’s a skill issue.
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I mean i have been converted to a j32b believer lately. I even got 300 kills and a positvie kd with it now. But its still beyond me that gaijin thinks its fair to put it against an f8u2
Ok lets compare it to lets say the Sabre that is at that BR then shall we. lets see. It’s slower, turns worse, has a higher climb rate, longer takeoff run, gets two missiles that are relatively easy to dodge if you are paying any attention, your ammo count is more forgiving but your guns very much are not (half the fire rate), you bleed energy because of your shape it does not do that near as much. now your saving graces are that your top end acceleration is better which means you are a bnz and ok what would removing the missiles do. maybe allow for less kills on enemy’s that aren’t expecting missiles. Honestly the plane is a struggle. not as for the J29A… it suffers in uptiers but is about right br wise and can relatively regularly get kills if played well and aced parts. Honestly I would take a J29F without missiles at 8.7 over a 9.0 with them as lets be brutally honest it is just a deathtrap at 9.0 unless they plan to put in a divider between 10.0 and 9.0 at which point we can discuss the finer points.