i do not call this unique.
only the Fokker G1 can claim to be unique in all of those.
a reskin and different propeller is not what i call unique enough. beside UK can also have the same version.
If I recall the Belgian Gladiator is supposed to have .50 Cals. They didn’t even give it that
Giving a “we are looking into it” statement and then never doing anything about it.
the BR remains a reference, at BR 6.0 you are falling pretty much in rank 4. There is almost no vehicles in BR 5.7 at rank 4. therefore, those vehicles are very lightly to fall at rank 1-2-3 and none for rank 4. There is already many vehicles in Rank 4, no need to stretch weak vehicles to this area.
UK can have a copy-paste of the Belgian aircraft, yes.
Also a prop change means far more than cosmetic:
Both at 15 AOA.
The chinese gladiator has the serial number of Arthur Chin, a Chinese Ace who had modified his place using the armor plate of the wreckage of a I-15 that crashed at the airfield, to protect his seat have mentioned it in his journal many times he could hear the bullets hitting the plate behind him as he was chassed by the Japanese.
Let me guess, it doesn’t have that modification as well?
that is not enough for me and for most people to consider it a unique vehicle. it was not even unique enough to be added to the British tech tree as they already had the Mk.II and they saw no point in adding a second nearly identical plane.
no, and it should be named “Chin’s Gladiator” and be a premium.
the other Chinese Gladiator didn’t had this modification, it was unique to Chin’s gladiator. it’s also suspected he had a 12.7mm taken from his previous Hawk III that he crashed, recovered the machine-gun and walk mani miles with the heavy machine-gun on his should, back to the airfield and dropped the machine gun on the commander’s desk and said “i need a new plane for my machine-gun” this quote was recorded in both his journal and his commander’s journal.
I consider vehicles unique based on 3D model alone, cause I’m a 3D modeler myself, so I know the tens of hours of research that comes before even making the 3D model.
Calling unique vehicles “copy-paste” discounts the work researchers and 3D modelers did to make a vehicle as accurate as they could do in the time given. I know I’d hate to have my work get called “copy paste” just cause I made a 3D model of something similar.
Obvious differences in flight performance is even more obvious.
The differences between the Gladiators are like the differences between M4 and M4A1.
there is hundred of hours of design and planning just to change a radio set in a tank. it does not change the fact it’s a copy-paste. if they wanted to have a real vehicle, they would have to model the Fk.52 or something like that. there was plenty of choice other than a copy-paste.
And all aircraft benelux move from france ? 🤔
Honestly one of the most annoying parts about the early chinese air tree is IFF. While gladiators aren’t exactly the issue in flying against or with chinese players, all the american/british planes present mean you either teamkill them thinking it’s an enemy as redfor, or get ambushed by a lightning that you thought was your friend and gave them your six as bluefor.
I understand why china has both allied and soviet, later nato/warsaw vehicles but it’s very annoying to deal with. Subtrees that introduce vehicles from two sides of a (cold) war make flying sim with/against that nation an exercise in frustration.
There probably should be a subtree-lock as an option for air sim or something to filter copy-paste onto the same side (ie: china can be both bluefor/redfor in same match, but limited only to appropriate subtree vehicles on that side).
Fortunately france and benelux doesnt suffer this issue.
eventually it could be use for an independent tech tree, but until them, it would be hidden just like the Italian aircraft line in the German tech tree.
It honestly seems like this change is just Gaijin giving up and giving France the Hungarian sub-tree treatment, of “We don’t want to make your domestic MBTs halfway decent, and your players won’t stop (rightfully) complaining about it, so here, have some of the best MBTs in game. Please GE them to fix your top tier lineup”.
France doesn’t need Leopards, all it needs are some buffs to the Leclercs to make them halfway decent on their own. Gaijin keeps clinging to their need for proper sources before changes can be made, even when said sources are literally all classified. I’m all for historical accuracy, but we’re literally just speculating about information none of us are actually allowed to have.
By all means, let what we know about the Leclercs inform how they’re implemented. But when they’re clearly, objectively worse than other top tier vehicles, maybe it’s time to start applying some buffs to their armor/mobility/firepower to make them stand on their own.
Same goes for the Arietes and Merkavas, by the way. They didn’t need a 5 second reload (Completely eclipsing the Leclerc’s one advantage in the process), they need armor that works.
I feel like them adding unneeded subtrees is just an excuse to deliver content every update.
Wish they toned down adding stuff just for the sake of it and spent some dev time focusing on evolving and fixing other aspects of the game!
adding new round to some of them would be a good plus.
there is not many rounds, the OFL 120 F2 is said to be more powerful. and there is the shard Mk.I who is brand new.
give the OFL F2 to the S2 and XXI, give the Shard Mk.I to the future Leclerc that would be the most recent (XLR, Evolution, EMBT 2022). remove the OFL 120 G1 to the S2, XXI, and Azure but not the S1.
already the French MBT will feel a bit less identical. and potentially allow to give time slightly different BR
but to be honest, the APFSDS is probably too effective or the armour too ineffective for every MBT.
there is not that much difference between the weaker rounds and the strongest rounds.
see this comparison between the French weakest rounds at the longest range and the German strongest round at the shortest distance
there is a difference, but we can’t say it’s a game changer. no wonder people still take the Vextra at the BR 12.0
it is not. i would rather redirect those efforts to add one needed vehicle once in a while than 10 unneeded vehicles. right now France needs top-rank vehicles that is not a MBT. mostly light tanks. the extra was extremely welcome and very appreciated. but they hoped to have it with a higher BR and more potent rounds.
the EBRC Jaguar and/or VBCI 2 with ATGM would be much needed at rank 8.
I feel somewhat underqualified to make suggestions as to how to fix the Leclercs, being that I don’t own them, don’t really play top tier, and don’t know much about them IRL. All I can say is that, from a gameplay perspective, they need to have some unique advantages that make them interesting to play. One of the biggest would be giving them their reload advantage back, which means nerfing the Arietes and Merkavas reload rates again.
AFAIK, both are most likely missing substantial amounts of armor, and that would be far a far more fitting buff for them whilst perserving the Leclerc (and Type 90/10’s) uniqueness. Combine that with a modest armor buff for the Leclercs (and at least the G2 round for the highest tier ones), and that would be a pretty well balanced MBT most likely.
The other thing I’d mention is dear god do they need some Rank VII vehicles. The only lineup you get to grind Rank VIII is two effectively copy paste mediocre MBTs and a 9.7 SAM that can’t look up or engage targets at long range. I proposed moving the 9.3/9.7 lineup up there a while back, apparently that went nowhere.
funny enough, despite having inferior penetration, inferior armor, and now similar mobility to many other MBTs, they all remain at the highest BR of the game.
the reload time should indeed be a bit slower for those manual reload. at least 0.5 sec more than the autoloader. it would only be fair to give the autoloader a real advantage. and i am not only speaking for the french MBT, there is a few other vehicles that have an autoloader, like the Japanese Type 10 and the Russian MBT.
i would like to see the Vextra and the AMX 40 move there and add the EMBT 2017 after the AMX 40, the MSC before the Leclerc, and the Terminator around there. the Mephisto getting the HOT-3 as it should easily move there too with a higher BR. if the AMX 40 or the Vextra do not get a higher BR it do not matter much, it still can be in the low Rank 7. but with a more potent round, the Vextra could be a fair bit higher BR.
Not sure the Russians need the RoF increase, to be honest. They already have best in class survivability in my experience. I would be interesting in making a bit more of a distinction between the various reloads at the tier, but I want there to be some variation, and I don’t think the Type 10s would be particularly balanced at 3 seconds, so maybe try this (all aced):
Type 90/10: 4 seconds
Leclerc: 5 seconds
Abrams/Challenger Ready Rack: 5.5 seconds
Ariete/Leopard: 6 seconds
T-80: 6.5 seconds
T-72/90/Chinese MBTs: 7.1 seconds
Challenger Base/Merkava: 8 seconds.
This is assuming relevant buffs to armor of the Arietes and Merkavas to keep them balanced with longer reloads. IMO, the Merkava makes sense as a slow firing, heavily armored goliath of a tank, with the focus being heavily on survivability above all else.
Not sure about the MEPHISTO. Laser rangefinder + HE shell (or even 120mm+ HEAT) just hard counters them, for it to work there needs to be a chance for it not to see that combo. I’ll agree on the rest though.
I’d also add a Roland 2, assuming France eventually gets a lineup at ~10.3. I can’t find a source on the Roland 1 only being able to look 35 degrees up, but apparently Gaijin believes the Roland 2 can, and it was literally a joint French-German project. The models are literally already there, just take the turret off the German Roland and slap it on the French hull, job done.
On that topic, where’s the AMX-13-105? Again, we already have the turret and the hull in game, just slap a DF-105 turret on an AMX-13 hull, and finally add to the halfway made 8.0 lineup.
Make the same poll about other nation sub-tree, why annoying french player only?
Remove all the sub-tree (lol) or leave them all, but don’t pick only this one.
