Not all subtrees are bad. South Africa ground is a good example, zero copy paste (the only arguable one being a variant of something else from that tree) and adds some desperately needed high mobility options throughout the tree. And the SA Gripen was needed to give Britian something while it waits for the Eurofighter.
Finland in Sweden isn’t too bad either. Yes, it’s mostly copy paste, but it adds some desperately needed variety and makes the low tier Swedish grind bearable (Previously, you were limited to sniping tanks. In War Thunder’s map rotation. It was pain). I’ll agree there was no need for the Finnish Leopards, but at the end of the day it’s just giving everyone free backups of the Swedish Leopards, so eh.
Hungary as implemented is poor. Italy needed tanks, but not the ones Hungary has, and certainly not the copy paste that was added. Again, Italy doesn’t need Leopards, it needs it’s Arietes to be worth something. Hungarian air is (and was always going to be) 100% copy paste, but given Italy’s overreliance on two planes that are absolutely terrible in War Thunder (F-104 and Tornado), I’m a little more forgiving of it.
The sub tree idea is a fine one for minor nations without enough domestic designs to fully flesh out their trees, they just need to be done right.
In my personal opinion, France doesn’t need a FULL Benelux subtree, Luxembourg is just a way to tie the names together (what can Luxembourg offer that the Netherlands or Belgium can’t?), Belgium can complement France with something (the vehicles associated with the Cockerill are technically interesting, and could add a lot of light tanks to France)., but I don’t think the Netherlands is necessary.
SA had prevented the addition of many vehicles that were actually British and who was providing the same strength. if South Africa wasn’t added, many of those vehicles would had been added by now
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SA was absolutly not needed.
the only Sub-tree that was needed is Finland for Sweden. and a Thailand for Japan. instead, we saw SA for UK, Hungary for Italy, and BeNeLux for France.
soon there will be the Eurofighter Typhoon added, UK will get it too. making the SA aviation unneeded. there will also be the F-35 one day
France has a ton of light vehicles to add. amounts of all the nations in-game, i think it’s France that has the largest choice of light vehicles. thanks to their tendency to build 30 different turrets and mount it on every chassis for export.
Given Gaijin’s bizaare insistence that Allied wheeled tanks of WW2 have to be event vehicles, I tend to doubt it. And I’m not familiar with any British designs that’ll fill the roles of the Rooikats.
Without the Gripen, the UK line would have a mix of either Harriers or Tornadoes to tide them over for literal years until the Eurofighter finally gets added. I wouldn’t have minded this, since I think maining a country is stupid and would happily just play something else’s top tier, but for the players who do main a country, that’s a pretty sorry reward for their efforts. I can see why Gaijin felt the need to give them something to be competitive with in the meantime.
If BeNeLux is implemented like this, it is a total letdown. A 2A4NL for France is especially useless, there aren’t any 10.3s or 10.7s to go along in a lineup with it.
I’m not necessarily against a BeNeLux subtree, I think it could be made nicely, but not by adding C+P Leopards just because they refuse to add unique Leclerc variants (MSC, EMBT (would be very easy to add), etc.).
I mean, Belgium is not ‘necessary’ for France (it’s just the closest location to implement the indigenous Belgian vehicle), but adding not only Belgium but also the Netherlands is a worse option. That’s what I’m trying to say. So I agree with you in that I don’t want to add a bunch of Leopard 2 series spam in place of French domestic vehicles.
I agree CaID, but what do you think about adding EMBT 2017 and EMBT 2022 right at this moment? With the current vehicles in other Tech trees.
Obviously would be a huge technology jump in War Thunder and it’s one of the things that I support, honestly I’m tired of the same same all Major updates: new sub tree: Leopard 2 modification; new content: T-80 modification as premium.
I clearly agree with the points you make, for me the Benelux should never have been added to France and should be removed. There is so much lack of French vehicles that adding a tree composed of 90% copy and paste hurts.
Furthermore, I find it shameful to add vehicles (especially American) to one of the rare nations that produces its own weapons and tries to remain as autonomous as possible in terms of military equipment.
Finally, as a Frenchman, if I play France, it is to play French vehicles, nothing else
A somewhat outsider view but I am grinding the french air tree at the moment
I dont mind the nations that were added, (though there was likely better choices for a Sub-TT)
but from what I can observe, quite a chunk of the additions didnt really help the overall TT health all that much and many of the additions could have been replaced with more unique options (from France or BeNeLux). Some of the additions were just really lazy like the Hunter F6 or F-16.
ehhh i would argue that italy did well with an subtree, sadly the choice of subtree didnt fill their most urgent need of a capable spaa.
all things considered greece might have been the better option with 2a6hel and the tor m1 as a capable missle spaa
Just saying, but france has as many possible vehicles as germany, the only reason germany has more vehicles is that it exists longer in GRB, france needs a subtree just as much as germany all things considered
overall its realy ends is preference with both dutch and switzerland, u might have forgotten but switzerland would give france multiple leopards as well
you are trading one leopard for the other
thats called being hypocritical.
best case all things considered would have been belgium to france, dutch to germany and switzerland split between germany and france where it fits best
