from SEM std 4, chaffs are loaded on Alkan LL 5081 (point 0 each wing).
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we sure this is modelled in all its glory?
the wt model seems a bit less flattering than the irl one
the quality of the texture of the paint on the model in game is not very good indeed…
Maybe still WIP or to be bought in skin bundles.
Its not real, its a “what-if” someone made.
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does it get it’s leg mfd?
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But → argentinian premium SUE to be added in German TT is possible though.
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So, I’m questioning what standard this is supposed to be. It seems to be Gaijin’s typical treatment of just making it a weird abomination of variants. Ik Smin said somewhere when asked it’s supposed to be a Std. 3 but that makes 0 sense given it’s loadout/capabilities.
-Not too bothered with the radar as it’s common that it’s just a placeholder, especially for initial implementation. But it’ll be curious to see if they give it the Agave or the Anemone. If it’s the Std. 3 as they claim to intend then it should be Anemone since it was present starting with the Std. 2 but who knows…
-The addition of the ATLIS does make it seem like a Std. 3, but the lack of AS-30Ls(or AS-30s for that matter) would make it confusing considering that was the big reason for the ATLIS… On top of that the addition of the GBUs would make little sense unless they’re adding buddy lasing since the Std. 3 couldn’t self guide GBUs making this closer to a Std. 4… Although the lack of AS-30L could also just be temporary rn as well considering the fact it has a modification for the AS-30L…
-Lack of Magic IIs would make it a SuE, considering the Magic IIs first entered service before the Std. 2 was even flown.
Overall it’s just a confusing mess right now that Gaijin clearly has no idea what they’re doing.
I would suggest to just make it a Std. 4, the addition of specific countermeasure pylons that were added would be a nice touch so you don’t have to sacrifice any ordnance for the countermeasure pods as this would allow it to carry 80-180 countermeasures(depending if they use 40mm or 60mm countermeasures), then the additional 252 would still be nice to have as an option, but would make it so it’s no longer an absolute necessity to sacrifice any sort of payload just for countermeasures. The MAWS like system doesn’t necessarily need to be implemented for now at least. But the biggest argument for the Std. 4 is the fact that the Std. 4 was the first version to allow self guidance of LGBs which would make it more realistic in-game instead of making it a Std. 3 and having it be completely ahistorical by allowing it to self guide.
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It should carry magic 2 like IRL, why A10, A6E, SU 25 at 10.0 have 30G all aspect missile but not the Super Etendard who carry Magic 2 ?
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Another thing to point out is that Gaijin has before said that the Mirage F1CT can’t get it’s guided bombs because it also relies on buddy lasing. To add the Super Entendard as a SEM Std. 3 would completely contradict what they’ve previously held up since it also relies on buddy lasing for LGBs(could still self guide AS-30Ls but ye). Main difference ig being that the SuE could be equipped with a targeting pod while the F1CT couldn’t, but the contradiction still exists!
Missing AS-30L is being reported. The SEM S3 could use GBU-12s and AS-30Ls as French parliament noted in their document. MBDA states SEM used AS-30L in 1999.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903308249812586556/1148326714594824202/AS30LBalkans.jpg
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It’s got its flares now but the problem is it’s not getting its magic twos even though it’s a non afterburning jet.
Because they want to keep it at 10.0 for some reason. Said to be a balancing decision even if it had it IRL.
Meanwhile the SU25 and a10 sit at 10.0
Oh, it can use GBUs yes, the problem is the Std. 3 can’t self guide the GBUs as what was specifically said. For whatever reason a Std. 3 using GBUs had to rely on another aircraft to designate the target. Self guidance of GBUs was only ever implemented starting with the Std. 4.
Ye, that argument is completely thrown out the window when you have 3 other aircraft sitting at 10.0 that have all-aspect missiles.
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I reviewed what you said by going over the french parliament documents, it’s said that the Super Etendard couldn’t self guide the GBUs at night time since it was restricted to daytime only with ATLIS targeting pod. Night time operations required Mirage 2000D’s to laser for the SEMs during Balkan operations. Mirage 2000D did have the CDLP required for night time operation. There were also some issues with SEM S3 landing with GBU-12s on the carriers, it had to drop them, which may be why AS-30L was preferred.
The Super Etendard was not compatible with CDLP which provided night time firing. These issues were resolved with the Damocles targeting pod.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956658715417772053/1148336905772093460/SEMIgnore.jpg
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