Probably not unless they really cooked with the composites
If the J-16 empty weight matches the numbers that you find online, then yeah, the Su35 being 19T is heavier.
But it depends on what devs will belive when looking for the J16 weight.
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with ~half a month remaining til the next update teaser*, i wonder if we will finally get the 35s, or devs will keep postponing last 4th gens up until last pre 5th gen update
cuz im hella tired of canarded su30s already, ive been coping by flying su27sm
there is truly nothing i hate more than canarded 2 seater flankers (su37 is an exception to the rule fr)
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Just hoping it’s considerably different by giving it R-77M and or R-37M. Other than that it should have a maws as well.
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I do not believe so at range because the radar on missile has no optical seeker to handshake and pass over the data and translate to a radar picture.
EOTS > FOX3 is fully feasible in theory, actually.
if the EOTS can output general or precise coordinates, those can then be sent to the missile via uplink.
The missile knows where it is, it knows this because it knows where it isn’t. combining this with the fact that it’s being told where the enemy plane is, it knows where to go and when to pitbull.
Maybe really advanced fox 3 missiles have electro optical compatibility
You could do this with an AIM-54 if you send the EOTS signal through the radar or a dedicated aim block.
they would no longer be active homing missiles and more of an advanced IR missile like the python 5.
Python 5 is also uplink capable and can be launched outside of seeker range / gimbal limit if given coordinates
Small nitpick but I think you got these mixed up, I’m pretty sure Su-35 (Su-27M) is called Flanker-M, whereas Su-35S is called Flanker-E.
a quick google search revealed to me that the flanker-m is the 35S
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Google also says the Su-35S is Flanker-E.
Plus I usually hear the Su-35S called Flanker-E.
Nah mate the Flanker-E is the 27M, the Flanker-M is the 35S. And please don’t post an ai overview here ever again.
Gotta admit though that the amount of people on internet who mix up stuff about the Su-27M and SU-35S is insane, makes it hard to find good info
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Do you have a source for that?
I don’t wanna be rude, I just see Su-35S being called Flanker-E all the time.
I don’t usually use AI, but Ron said he did a quick google search so I did the same.
Most other sources about NATO code names I can find are third party stuff like Wikipedia or Deagle… Which are about as trustworthy as AI lmao.
A lot of the sources used in the post call the 35S the Flanker E.
But I can definitely see how it could also be Flanker-M, since a few sources call it Flanker-E+.
But, The Auairpower one only gives a NATO name for the Su-27M, that being Flanker-E.
The Military Balance 2021;
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That one wouldn’t load for me, Thank you.
It’s all pretty disparate but I see almost every source calling the Su-35S “Flanker-M”. For the Su-27M it’s blurrier but that’s nothing surprising considering a lot of info about that plane is mixed up on internet. By the way, could you show your sources calling the 35S “Flanker-E”? I literally can’t find any website worth mentioning that says that
There’s a difference between a quick search as in looking at the first few results, and a quick search as in reading the ai overview which is known to be incredibly unreliable
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I mean he responded in like a minute so I assumed that’s what he did.
I posted a few above (taken from the Suggestion sources), but I ran into the same issue you did. I don’t think they’re actually worth mentioning. :p
This one calls Su-27M the Flanker-E
This one calls the Su-35 the Flanker-E, but it also mentions the BM so I’m not sure how trustworthy it is.
This one just calls the Su-35 Flanker-E. Not specifying which Su-35.
This one calls the Su-35S the Flanker-E+.
This one also calls the Su-35 Flanker-E, but doesn’t specify Su-35S (Despite very clearly talking about 35S)
This one calls the Su-35S Flanker-E.
This one, which I don’t trust a lot since it’s from a news source, calls the Su-35S Flanker-E.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/stealth-no-more-russias-su-35-fighter-might-be-able-track-f-22-raptor-53137
These are all just from the Suggestion,
I did also find these two.
This one calls Su-35S Flanker-M
This one calls Su-35S Flanker-E.
Most of the other things I could find from my quick search calling Su-35S Flanker-M instead of E are from reddit, or a footnote on the Ace Combat Wiki.
I think it might be Flanker-M, since some sources call the older Su-35 Flanker-E and the newer Su-35S Flanker-E+.
I probably got used to calling it the wrong thing, since a lot of people on youtube and online call it the Flanker-E and that’s just what I got used to.
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I think this one sentence right here nails the big problem with researching anything on both Su-35s.
I think the confusion comes for a good part from the fact that the wikipedia article says “Flanker-E” and only specifies “Flanker-M” for the BM/S. The entire article is also pretty unclear on what is what, and doesn’t do a big distinction (imo the legacy and modern Su-35 should be separate pages). So I bet a lot of people just looked there and got confused
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For sure, but I also have to blame Russian naming convention a bit. :p
Since the Su-27M is called Su-35, but the export variant of the Su-35S… is also just called Su-35.
If Wikipedia (which is most certainly where A LOT of people get their info from) were to separate Su-35S and Su-27M into different pages it would probably make it a lot more obvious.
Or at LEAST move this info closer to the top.
There’s literally 0 reason for this to be the ONLY mention of Flanker-M in the entire page.
Along with that the only time Flanker-E is bought up is at the top (in the title) and in the sources, where it’s talking about the Su-35S standard.
Anyway, thanks for the help, it’s appreciated.
Idk, it’s all blurry but hopefully we got this right
My bet is this is all a sorta mandela effect where everyone thinks the Su-35S is called Flanker-E because everyone thinks it is, like how everyone confuses the two different Su-35s
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I think so too.
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