Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

GJ has allowed high alpha maneuvers/Supermaneuvrability back at 900km. You no longer rip either at Mach .75 tring to overide and perform it utilizing rudder and pitch in full real and you won’t rip as high as Mach .85 20min internal fuel, clean I have so far experienced.

instead of ripping the jet at Mach .80 pulling max allowed alpha. The jet instead massively decreases in speed. Seems like much more. Which makes sense. You can drop from 900km to 400 almost instantly.

Mach .85+ seems to be the danger zone where you rip if you pull too much alpha and rudder in full real now.

Love it and very appreciative of this Devs. Its set perfectly.

Literally nothing has changed.

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“buT mUh ruSSiaN bİAs”

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So very true

That must be why it has such dog crap Oswald number in game , gaijin logic :)))

Wait , lol so the specific performance parameters in allowable high angles of attack I listed before, the barriers at 800-900km in which you never once rejected and sat there for days defending actually did not exist?

Pull up another NASA article on that. Please.

Whatever, Happy Feet. The point is and only thing that matters is that its perfectly fine now. In regards to high alpha at 900km and not ripping all the way up to .85-.90 when trying in full real.

Give it a try. Check out the alpha you can pull at .80 now.

Ppl who cry Russian bias = 1 nation players

Btw now Russia has negative winrate in ALL ground battle Brs including top tier XD

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Really? Why what happened?

Idk the exact reasons but some ppl are saying that since the 2a7 and the new swedish Leo that i forgot the name got added, the best Russia players migrated to sweden and Germany. But it’s also interesting to mention that the ruskies already had a mid winrate since the vikhrs Nerf and the addition of pretty good western CAS combined with the general spaa Nerf, now it’s just negative instead of mid.

I’m not complaining btw, Just debunking the Russian bias bs

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It’s ok. I don’t know too much about all the drama with ground. Heard it’s a mess and many things. Interesting.

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Funnily enough US is even worse at top tier and i really don’t know why, i mean Abrams armor may be innacurate but it’s without a doubt a capable tank, not to mention the f16c which is definitely the best CAS ingame rn, btw look at Germany and Sweden winrates lmao.

It’s 10000000000000000000x times worse than the air drama man

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Well statistics show a dominant portion of new players who come to War thunder regardless of country of origin start off in the US tech. This has several factors. The US’s obvious technological advantage (due to massive investing in defense) and western pop culture.

So, a lot of these new players will come to WT and purchase capable premiums or purchase GE and shoot to top tier and get stomped out.

This is an issue that I do not believe we are giving Gaijin enough credit for. Many new customers want modern US vehicles. But GJ listens to the long existing community and tries not to offer top tier premiums. But at the same time GJ has to make money somewhere and they do not want to scare customers away with how skill dependent the game is.
Also, GJ does not want all the new players to come and stay in the US tech tree. They want them to explore other nations. Therefore, they offer newer historical variants in attempt to get people playing other nations. So, these vehicles perform better, and people cry bias because they want to live in the US tech tree and oversaturate that nation.

This is all my opinion of course.

I was thinking about getting into ground to be more versitile at sqaudron battles, but nah I will wait lol.

Isn’t it fascinating how win rates can be easily manipulated by such minor things? I believe they are trying to equalize many things and it’s not because of bias. if that was the case, the Flankers radar would be modelled! lol.

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It’s worth to try, you’ll probably enjoy if you manage to keep calm until you get used to the maps and the weak points of your enemies, about the toxic ppl they’re much worse to talk to compared to the ones we have in the air rb community so if you ever start playing ground don’t even waste your time with them.

100%, i genuinely believe the vikhrs nerf for example contributed to like 20% drop on winrate for Russia because these freaking helos were what made them OP in top tier

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Just like how 2A5/2A6 dominated for years , now they added an even better leopard , the 2A7, Sweden and Germany shit on everything. Ka-50 is muh ruSsian bIaS but Fire forget pars missiles for German Heli is balanced

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You can’t even fly cas in top tier as USSR now , invisible 9Ms are not balanced. While R-73 still gets flared by 1 tap flares

You also cannot fly fighters to kill the definitely not op and not UFO f-16s, cuz invisible 9Ms and gripens

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Because American players are this bad and literally clueless skilless players that need extra ultra omega handholding

the average american team on display, even tho F-5C is an unkillable UFO which IR missiles cannot lock on to.

I have more kills than the total of this garbage skilless team. That is why F-15 stayed at 12.3 and SU-27 became 12.7

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Yeah, I will soon! I actually miss playing props have been getting into it lately.

But Russian Helos are supposed to be very strong. I do not know how strong the Vikhrs is though irl.

I think US mains biggest issue is there is a crap ton of them. They want the best of the best but literally want to stay and live in that nation’s tech forever with no intention of branching out and exploring the rest of the game’s vehicles. I personally think if the US is to see this perceived “bias” against it go away. They need to seriously try and play other nations.

Also, I do think GJ can do more for the British and think they have dragged their feet on their capabilities.

Yeah. It’s interesting because technologically, and historically. The USSR and Federation are leaders in attack helicopter capability and survivability. The Hinds, KAs and the Havoc are way too easily shot down in game. They are notoriously tough and hard to kill. The US is heavily invested into capturing the newest variants.

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They are still the best heli missiles rn imo but before they had insane maneuverability and you could guide 12 of them at the same time, making almost impossible for the spaa to counter them. Now the ka50 is still annoying and probably the best heli but it’s far more balanced

I feel that too, mainly on the mi24s

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So back to the Su27. What are your current thoughts.

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