Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

Ppl are pointing out that there are some inconsistencies on the FM, but regardless if it’s accurate or not, i found the su27 to be awesome on the current air RB meta. I’m not playing the game frequently but when i do i pick the flanker and usually i have a pretty good time with it, the flight performance is good enough to survive the furball and the missiles are very efficient if you use them in the right moment/circumstance, recently i decided to give the 27et a chance and boooy that thing can do insane stuff sometimes… In general it’s the usual shit, probably the plane is incorrect in terms of flight performance but for the RB meta it’s enough, i’m satisfied with it although i’m still on the mig29 cope so unironically sometimes i chose the SMT over it, i really want a light fulcrum variant that can carry r73s lmao i just love that plane.

There is a reason I was asking because all of the stuff you are saying that the flight model does or does not do has been nonsense. The flight model was buffed by a respectable margin after it came out and I was confused why you wanted to revert to a substantially worse version.

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Happy Feet, ok I am sorry.

the jet is dope af. I love it.

But in all honestly it was unable to pull alpha at 900km. You see it does now.

I know you think I do not play the jet in full real. I play it hours upon hours in full real in closed and use it in air rb. The 800km-900km barrier is no more.

You have to really pull on the stick too. So I do not see how this will hurt sim experience. Right?

Common theme, I saw no changes to the FM in the datamine either so I’m not sure why anyone would backtrack and claim a problem that didn’t exist was suddenly fixed upon realizing they were wrong. Maybe we can get back on track and discuss the REAL issues with the FM.

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Yes, because GJ has no power to make changes to their own game without you personally knowing of it and cannot avoid the all-seeing, almighty datamine.

lmfao.

The issue with the flight model is the same as the other RU aircraft flight models; it absolutely decimates speed in any kind of turn and it’s performance ends up being relatively mediocre if you have to weigh it against other flight models in the game.

With that being said I have flown in a lot in sim and everyone that says that it is outright bad doesn’t really understand the full story.

And it hits some numbers on a chart so the flight model is accurate. Or it’s inaccurate. Or it’s over-performing slightly. Depending on what metric you use and what time of day it is.

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The two seater is the most beautiful Flanker imo.

İt was buffed by 5 units after getting nerfed 10 units before patch release after Dev server

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It wasn’t good on development server.

it wasn’t? I was being able to defeat almost every 4th gen besides the fake f16 and the both “controversial” m4k and gripen

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It’s performance on dev wasn’t any better than it is on the live server. There are half a dozen 1v1 videos from development server and the Su-27 was nothing special.

Feety you are starting to demonstrate a level of dishonesty. For what?

You were never able to cobra at 900km ever on the dev server. No one claimed you could, and you are intentionally conflating high alpha with the cobra maneuver. We specifically pointed out that supermaneuvrability was able to be initiated at 900km on the dev server and they removed soon after release placed a barrier on alpha at 800km+.

in which you defended that change with that above statement.

Guess what??? You are now allowed to pull alpha again at 900km in game right now. Just like it was on the dev server.

So developers obviously agree with MY POSITION that high alpha and supermaneuverable capability could be initiated at high subsonic speed up to 900km and that they should remove the immediate wing ripping if attempted in at Mach .80

Gaijin did exactly both.

I’ve seen no datamine information suggesting a recent change either. To my knowledge the FM is adjusted based on the datapoints and not arbitrary opinion… regardless … there is plenty of footage from dev server and it can be tested. Perhaps videos and source sharing are better discussion methods than he said she said.

Simply put, if someone thinks that something changed… prove it. Show me before and after. There is ALWAYS a change in the datamine that affects the specific vehicle if something were modified or altered.

(I edited my comment because I do not want to put too much out there. Is that ok? lol)

You are one silly goose to think that there are no parameters that can be altered that have an effect on the behavior of flight models without you knowing about it.

Look the model was blocked in alpha at 800km-900km soon after its release.

It is no longer there. That is all that matters.
If believing that you have special developer privileges able to see every parameter of WT that alters the behaviors of models in game with your little datamine tool and it helps you sleep at night.

More power to you. lol

Nonsense you say? Me???

Cobra has returned baby, 700km full real.

Check out that nose dip right before. I am proud of that.

Devs are doing a fantastic job with the model and incrementally fine tuning it. Hope that radar can be updated soon!

@MiG_23M Datamine that.

On a serious note, you know nothing about the many parameters that can be altered in the game without you knowing. Please stop pretending you know everything about the innerworkings of War Thunder and its development.

You are not a developer.

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Latest one he did is about merkava HE being a SAP round and it being good

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taking people that play war thunder as a job as a metric is just plain wrong. They can make everything work, specialy when the videos get edited to only show the best ones. But for the bvm he did multiple and says how its problematic as well

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why tf are u guys talking about tanks here?

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i asked mysself that 10h ago when i first saw that, but seems like Malekith keeps complaining about leopards for whatever reason

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i mean, there are better places to argue about the current tanks but sure not in the sukhoi thread, like bruh

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