Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 2)

Decompression made it more enjoyable ngl

Unbelievably so, just had a 4 kill game rn thanks to mainly seeing 13.0-13.3. Have only had 1 full up tier so far in the 5 games I’ve played so far which isn’t horrible all things considered. (With 2 of them being full downtiers >:D)

Su-27sm is definitely 14.0 material. Best 13.7 for arb

Went from second worst 13.7 on release to best 13.7 1 year later

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Yea the thing was literally the worst jet that gaijin has add in years. I used to have like 45% win rate on that thing.

what changed?

-Better engine
-Change to the Oswald and FM
-Change to the radar?
-Dual Pylon.

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did they buff this update?

no

oh so all those previous changes with the decompression made it good?

indeed. although the main buff was the new engines + sustianed turn rate buff 9 months ago (that makes it overperform pretty substancially in sustained)

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How is compared with the J-11B?

Decompression may have help a lot. Because i Grinded the Su-30sm on the Su-34… The radar was still trash at that point. Literally worst than others radar at it tier.

FTR. I think that the radar on Su-30sm its also one of the worst at top tier. To many problem with it. Compare to the Rafale one. Haven’t played this update. To said if it has change.

I would say the bars is good for top tier and has a good gap performance wise compared to other top tier radars

It’s more down to the fact the rafales radar leapfrogs ahead so much to the bars leaving a massive gap in performance compared to the gap with the bars and other radars

I wouldn’t say there’s a massive gap between bars and rafale radar, especially with manual radar slewing

Best way to describe it imo is the BARS is better than all Mech scan radars in-game, and worse than all ESA’s in-game.

RBE2-AA is effectively the equivalent of having 4 BARS running at the same time, so there is a huge gap yeah…

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is bars worse than the esa on the kfir c10? unsure what scan angles that plane gets

Pretty sure it is, though I havent added lower tier radars to the spreadsheet

Edit: Yes, it has much better scan volume, similar/superior scan rate and v.scan rate

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If your only using the radar to detect people and flying mostly near the ground sure Bars its “fine”. But for me its the worst radar. I started to use Manual control because how bad this thing was. And not even that help. The radar its just bad. Some problem are not specific of Bars. But because i still use 27ER. Its more notorious for me.

Like if i try to send a “silent” 27ER. Trying to lock the same target its stupidly hard and most often you just will waste the missile because its almost imposible to re-lock the same target. Even when gaijin has try to solve this problem.

why use 27er? r-77-1 is best overall fox 3 in game.
even then, i’ve had plenty of success using “silent” 27er on normal su-27s, i can’t imagine how having a better radar in every way other than vertical coverage is worse.