doesnt the flankers ECM pods have a physical model in game? atleast it looks like it when you see your flanker in the background in the hangar
by that i meant export brochures are inconsistent in their hardpoints like that recent brochure contradicts the older one
maybe because it wasnt able to carry the r37 on those pylons back when the brochure was made
maybe because that brochure is outdated
Any publicly available info is inconsistent to a certain extent. And it’s even worse when it comes for Soviet\Russian stuff because of much stricter secrecy.
but older brochures show rvv bd on those pylons
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Irbis would detect f-22 around ~29km in narrow scan (±60 degree scan/120 degrees (not really narrow scan lol))
Irbis would detect f-35 around ~43 km in narrow scan
Both of these are front aspect best case scenario for f22 and f35
Overall I think stealth air craft will not really matter in wt considering how powerful these radars are
That would be enough to close the range gap of AIM-120D-3 and R-37M though, even in less than ideal conditions for the stealth jets
The Irbis would also have to blast the sky with as much radiation as it could which would alert other aircraft of its position
Yeah but at the same time, su-35 can stay undetectable by the the f-22 forever due to its gimbal limit. Because r771s dont have any launch angle restrictions su-35 can apply as much pressure as it would want against a f22/35 without putting itself in danger at all (in wt at least)
Irl su35 getting nuked by f-22 because its radar in terms of range is at least on par with it while being undetectable by su-35 until its much too late.
Especially with aim 120 d-3 being minimum of 164 km max range if I recall correctly
Wouldnt the ECM suite pick it up? The F-22 could briefly turn towards the Su-35 to fire off an AMRAAM and then turn back. Maybe periodically turn back in to update the DL for long range shots
You’re thinking about LPI. And that don’t work on PESA or AESA.
No, I’m not
You’re Talking about IRBIS big radiation. And the Ability of F-22 to use LPI so it don’t blast same quantity of energy and still detect Su-35s without Triggering SU-35s system.
THAT don’t work. Useless against modern PESA/AESA system.
I didn’t say this bit. It would maybe trigger the one Su-35 if they needed to use the radar (with how much the IRBIS would be emitting they could probably get enough information for an AMRAAM launch off just RWR pings) since it can cue a really narrow beam.
And idk where you get the LPI being useless from, maybe some exaggerated Su-35 brochure. If Russian electronics are so modern how come there arent any internationally competitive Russian phones or computers? Even if it did alert the Su-35, it would ONLY alert that Su-35 which is still an advantage
The range of that ping for AN/ALR-94 its unknow but its should be really low. Other Because why even have the option to use AN/APG-77 for a narrow bean. (This its about the same as what Su-57 can do with L-band radar btw). Or why even use a radar at that point. Another marketing lie of the F-22 for sure.
LPI was mostly a tech against RWR. That can’t detect the wave out of the noise the Radar modulation produce. It use modulation and blah blah blah. Lower energy out blah blah blah… Modern AESA/PESA still can detect the radiation. And NCTR its a thing.
what does NCTR have to do with anything
you will not always have sufficient data from RWR alone and there are countless advantages to having a radar i really dont feel like writing down right now. there are no marketing lies for the F-22, only the lowest of low-balls and other toned down stats since Lockheed isnt selling the F-22 to anyone and never will for the forseeable future
I’m not a radar expert. But Because how AESA/PESA work. With multiple T/R modules. It can work like RWR. Without the problem of older RWR that only work on a frequency. Something like how AESA can JAM older radar. But its harder against other AESA radar.
Older RWR couldn’t detect LPI because it think that the signal its noise.
Maybe this AI slop can explain it better.
AESA radar vs. traditional RWR
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While both can perform similar functions, the AESA radar provides several key advantages over a standalone RWR:
| Feature | AESA Radar (acting as RWR) | Traditional RWR |
|---|---|---|
| Detection capability | Can provide precise range and angle information on enemy emitters by analyzing the incoming signal through the T/R modules. | Primarily provides a general direction and classification of a radar threat based on the strength and type of the incoming signal. |
| Integration | Fully integrated into the aircraft’s electronic systems, sharing data and enhancing situational awareness with other sensors. | A separate system that feeds threat data to the pilot, but may not be as seamlessly integrated with other sensors. |
| Low probability of intercept (LPI) | More effective at detecting other LPI radars because its advanced signal processing is better at distinguishing complex, hopping frequencies from background noise. | Legacy systems are less effective against modern LPI radars, which can rapidly change frequencies and appear as random “white noise”. |
| Simultaneous functions | Can listen for passive threats while actively performing other tasks, such as tracking targets with its active radar. | A dedicated receiver that only provides passive threat detection. |
Pfff. Yea sure the F-22 has 0,0000000000000000000000001 overall RCS.
whatre you going on about, NCTR is for identication of possible targets
and what if, bear with me here, they adapted some of that AESA technology for the defensive suites to make them more effective on American aircraft
where has Lockheed said this?
Yea i didn’t mean to said it was NCTR. But it work like that. By detecting radar emission.
nctr of su35 is garbage. n011m of bars in game is already severely overperforming in nctr