Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 2)

Why only 10kn?

Why reply here
Edit: nvm, didn’t go all the way up and thought it was just about hornets

My bad for not specifying, original thread got closed.

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It was already reported but this guy’s report was completely ignored… they’re keeping these missiles nerfed on purpose

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It’s 132.4 vs 142.5ish.
40 would mean 172.x thrust, which we know it’s not producing.

That’s probably using the dcs simulation paper… not a proper source

Isn’t the AL-41 straight up jumping to 14500kgf, from the 12500 of the base AL31?

Now ofc 14500 won’t be the number of installed thrust we’ll have in wt but I would expect somenthing close to it at least

The Su-27SM doesn’t use the standard AL-31, it uses the AL-31FM1.

Yeah I know, I was taking into account the numbers we have with the AL-31FP of the su30sm

Which is pretty much listed as 12500 almost on every engine booklet I saw

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Technically, but WT Su-30SM has the “spooling mode” implemented where AL-31FP gets 5% thrust increase above mach 0.8

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AL-31FP has a increased thrust mode that brings it up by a twinge, not sure if gaijin modeled it as on all the time or if certain conditions are met though.

What GitGood said basically.

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i think they properly implemented speed requirenment, but they did not give it a time restriction because it is not limited by hardware but instead by manual.

Still, jump to AL-41F-1S would be substantial, even if Su-35S is 19tons of empty weight

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Just imagine a world where Su-33 got it’s proposed AL-31FM-1s… Truly could’ve been a time to be alive.

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Or it’s proposed radar… would be eating good

Yeah right, kinda forgot it went from 11600 to 12150-ish, I wonder what the value of installed thrust for the AL-41 will be on the statcard.

I mean the su30 engine mode did make a noticeable difference, so the Su35 with a 200kg weight increase should be looking good in performance.

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Proposed radar? Never heard of anything about that? All I’ve heard of radar related is intergration of Kh-41 onto N001K.


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I don’t think I’d exactly call that “proposed” since it’s more of a wishful offer by a radar company…

Plus Su-33 with defacto N010 would be pretty silly but if I want that then I’d just ask for T-10KUB-1, the true N010 demon…

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Fair

Flanker is literally an epitome of a thing that is fighting universe itself to exist. First version was bad - completely redesigned, original N001 design with PESA dish failed to meet the requirenments - switched to cassergain just to keep it. T-10M program rolled out - Fall of USSR and no money, same with Su-30 and Su-33. And only decades later it is finally doing a comeback.

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