Let it sink in
Yeah it is not great
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ignore this:
Still seems biased to me to give it that capability, when we don’t know if those missiles and dual pylons are mockups or if that is even the SU-30SM variant we have in-game, or if they’re for ferry purposes only - these are the same requirements they ask of us when implementing any non-Russian vehicle AKA F-15C Golden Eagle with its Amber (CFT dual) racks and MRML pylons or the Eurofighter missile racks, why do these vehicles need literal letters from Presidents and every detail known about them to even CONSIDER them for addition…
Anyways, this still doesn’t answer how the SU-27SM has dual pylons.
Those aren’t dual pylons, the R-77 is on the intake pylon…
There were, thankfully, no classified document leaks for Su-30SM. The only thing that “there is no photo evidence or publicly available information about dual pylons” proofs is your infromational limit. This could be considered an indirect evidence, but not a definite proof.
I know its not dual pylons but the devs think it is
What is there not to love.^^
Guys, anyone can link me source from which we took 19 tons as Su-35 empty weight?
I can’t find anything besides Wikipedia
How “official” this one is? i am just trying to dig trough all of this
I couldn’t tell you with a degree of certainty, maybe @kizvy might be able to have some more info, since iirc he originally posted it in the thread.
Edit: there is also the same page but for the Su30sm, and that one specifies that the empty weight is 18800kgs, and that matches the number we have in wt.
yeah, i remember this one. I am just looking trough uacrussia.ru (i take it it’s official site of UAC?) and “normal take-off weight” of Su-35 is 790 kilos lighter than Su-30SM while max take-off weight is 500 kilo bigger. So i am trying to find the correlation but there is so little data available around.
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There were quite a few numbers for the weight in this thread, some stating 18400 for some older models, and some going up to the 19k figure we have.
What the devs will chose to use to model this is a different topic ofc, maybe they have access to some sikrit documents that we can’t see.
the fact that flankers don’t load full fuel normally also adds to the confusion because there is no knowledge of how different it is for Su-30 and Su-35 since they have different fuel tank configuration than Su-27 and i only have data for Su-27 normal fuel load being 5300 kilos
Edit: If maximum take-off weight of Su-35 includes both full weapon load as well as full fuel load it’s a relatively simple math that leaves us with 15 300 kg which could be true but there is obviously no statements that would confirm that.
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There’s still also the big question mark that we don’t really know if the 19000kg number also has the Khibiny pods included, those alone would unironically take off some significant weight, especially in WT since we don’t hsve ECM yet.
true, about 600 kilo worth of dead weight
First 14.7 jet in the game (we don’t count Rafale because Russian bias)
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Su-35S with its Irbis radar, AL-51 engines, R-37M,R-74M2, and R-77M is easily 15.0 material.
Al-51 is likely never coming to su-35
There are no Su-35S with AL-51, and we aren’t getting R-37M, R-74M and R-77M for now (thankfully) with all this in mind and current compression it would be quite unfair to place it any higher than 14.7
Depends on what future has in store for 5th and mythical 6th generation aircrafts. Right now both US and Russia seems to be keen on making advanced Gen 4 stuff rather than Gen 5 (F-15EX and our good pal Su-35S). If this will continue, and if AL-51 is indeed as amazing as Saturn claims there might be an upgrade program for Su-35S (there are already rumours about Su-35SM but who knows what is going on)