Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 2)

The only semi viable mig-29 that could be added would be either the MiG-35 or MiG-29M

Imo the 29M 9.15 would be the best choice;

• It has better engines
• same radar as the current Yak 141 (which Is very good)
• 8 missiles
• slightly modified airframe

Only real downsides would be the very limited amount of countermeasures (around 32 iirc), the RWR (digitalized version of the Spo-15) and the Flight model (despite having Better engines, It Is stilla mig29, and Flight model Is incredibly mediocre, trash even)

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Could be a pretty decent 13.7 or even 13.3 as a sidegrade or upgrade from the MiG-29 SMT

i heard that top flare dispencers of 9-12 and 9-13 were just moved under the tail for 9-15 so it should have regular 60. But we should probably discuss this in a MiG-29 thread and not here.

They’re different countermeasure banks, 2x16 banks instead of the 2x30 banks from the 9-12/13’s

@AlvisWisla sorry for moving from mk2 thread.

Surely this proves the Su34 is better than a EFT right?🤔

Obese.

;)

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Su30sm 3d model got change a bit in dev server


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The wing gap I cant belive this…

Canard angle tilted too?

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they finally tilted canards a bit up? Man, what gaijin gonna take away from us for such an effort? 20% engine thrust? R-77-1?

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They for sure gonna make the dark navy camo whiter

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Well, pylons are still there on a clean wing so i guess gaijin doesn’t want to spoil us too much

Fair point

They could and should remove the ahistorical dual R-77 pylons

Sure. As soon as they remove ahistorical flares on F-5C, ahistorical AIM-9E on F-5C, ahistorical Ho-Ri (both of them), ahistorical 9Js on German jets… and that’s what i could recall “on the go”. Will probably find even more ahistorical stuff if i really wanted to.

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I agree, the F-5C can easily be taken care of by renaming it to an F-5A, either from the US or another country and keeping its flares and AIM-9Es, Ho-Ris should at least be modified to their realistic model (like Ferdinand) and Germans should lose AIM-9Js full stop, but at least the 9J might be compatible with the 9B launchers.

The SUs on the other hand can’t physically fit the dual pylon and were never even tested with them, not even a mockup was fitted - mods recently denied a bug report on the JAS39C missing Brimstones because the manufacturer stated carriage capability if a customer wanted that ability, however since they were never tested they denied the JAS39C getting them, same should apply to the SUs which never tested the dual pylons and weren’t compatible at all.

Also Belgian F-104 has ahistorical flares and RWR which is quite BS

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Except not a single F-5 in US service carried flares. Are we really trying to be historical here or just playing favourites?

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That is not true. To be precise there is no evidence that would confirm or deny that dual pylons are too wide to be fitted. It is just another “forum coolstory” that stuck inside the community. As for actual evidence - this was already talked before, we have extremely unreliable statement “there is no photos so it can’t be fitted” against equally unreliable “gaijin has access to documents that aren’t publicly available”. And this again just playing favourites.

You sure about that?

Pic is of F-5Ns, modified F-5E. F-5E were compatible with the flares pods which is why they get them.

SUs aren’t compatible with dual pylons which is why they should be removed.

R-77 dual pylon wrong dimensions report

Devs not providing proof and everyone else being unable to find and provide proof counts as being unable to prove the dual pylon capability.

counts by your own set of rules?

It counts because nobody has been able to prove this, either with public information or “classified” documents, or like another user above has said: