Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 2)

You’re the one that have to provide evidence of that. Its Kh-38 all over again. (And don’t bring that bad take some mod of this forum misused just to prove they were right. Leaving the most important part, out of the discussion).

Do the same that the guy on the Report did. Look at Su-35 and other Flankers space in between the engine and count pixel for pixel to see if it don’t fit. Because right now that report only show that The pylon its badly modeled. Just like a lot of thing in the Su-30sm and that people has point out. And not that it can’t use the Double Pylon.

Its about the same stuff that Surprise the same guy that did that Kh-38 thread. Tried to do with IRBIS just last week. Trying to said Oh look IRBIS BAD. “Its had slow scan rate”. When he was using a video from a test of the radar on a Plane that Don’t have AL-41. And was using long range scanning mode. Meaning that the scan rate its slow because it need to concentrate more power in the beam at longer range. And that don’t prove anything about what the TWS scan rate its.

Talking about AL-41F1-s that its originator of this discussion. Because they are a little bigger than normal AL-31. But when i looked at the engine bay the difference between them is almost not noticiable. And if nothing it would mean that the Su-35s couldn’t use the Double pylon because it have less space. But that its not what are you arguing here right??. Thank god someone managed to have a pic of the double Pylon on the Su-35s before they move to use that pylons only for R-37m. Or i could bet someone in this forum would make a post copium about the Su-35s couldn’t use them because the AL-41F are bigger. And WE would need to show POOFF about it.

Also idk who its this guy that worked on flanker you’re talking about. Because right now the only guy that its vocal about his work with Flankers its
@GeorgeN28581
. Also there is a guy on SP forum that USED to work at Vympel. Flateric? i think it was… Or are you talking about BBCRF?

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At least su-35s has been advertised for dual racks since forever. Literally no other flankers have been advertised for double rack r77s other than the su-35

George has confirmed that Su-35s indeed use RAM paint…

George N. en X: “@GuyPlopsky Judging by certain details, those Su-35S were produced before 2022 (and need upped layer of RAM to be updated)” / X

I think most of the ppl are pointing out that VKS simply doesn’t used them on any other plane except Su-35S.

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iirc from what i heard the su30sm can physically carry double pylons for R77 but due to the smaller space between the intakes , a missile launch could damage the aircraft , which is why it is not used. it should probably be removed atleast when they add the su35.

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And most probably will never do. Now its cooler to use R-37m on them.

Yea i have hear that Su-35s have bigger wing. Turns out its was just Khibiny pods.

Ye most likely KnAAPO on their old brochures counted Khibinyy pods to overall wing span. It was 15.3m
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Pic from old Sukhoi’s brochure of T-10BM

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This is one of the main reason. People thought that Bigger wing = bigger space between engine. So that was the Reason for Double pylon. When IRL The wingspan its the same. And the space between engine its also the same. The only difference i notice its that on Su-35s the engine its slightly tilted outward.

In the report that was accepted the Pylon are also Tilted outward compare to the in game that is straight. But that its not indicative that the Su-30sm couldn’t use them.

I’m totally okay with gaijin remove them. I was even against R-77-1. And i would love to see Su-35s. Its not that i don’t like the Su-30sm. But its was FAT and Slow. for the current meta of the game (Right now is Okayish). I’m also against gaijin add Su-35s with thing like F-15EX, Eurofighter with AESA etc. But how thing are going that will be the case.

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The manufacturer of the dual pylons cite Su-30 and Su-35 as two of the platforms.
I forgot to save that cause I was on my laptop instead of my desktop when I saw it.

It’s the same distance as between Su-35’s intakes. Su-34 is the only complete redesign of the Flanker, which is one of the reasons it’s not called a Flanker.

This is also the case on standard Su-27s. It’s likely for improved stability.

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It’s pretty hilarious that NATO still gave it a reporting name that starts with “F”. Sure it’s a fighter-bomber, but in Russian classification pretty much everything is a fighter-bomber or fighter-interceptor nowadays.

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If they call an su-24/17/22/20/7 a fighter then an su-34 is more than enough to also be considered one

Oh yeah, i totally forgror about even more hilarious “Fencer” and “Fitter”

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the greatest air superiority fighter the frogfoot

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Entirety of NATO trembles in fear. I mean, Su-39 can carry grand total of 20 missiles that can attack aerial targets, no fighter jet can come even close.

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Radar change feels nice, HMD is almost insta lock in most cases, hope it doesn’t come with bugs on live tho.

To be fair Su-39 can be outfitted with R-27 or R-77, just need a radar pod

My “favourite” time was a bug when Bars randomly locked whatever it felt to when you tried to switch between ACM and HMS modes. Made close combat with Su-30SM almost impossible.

HMD lock auto switching from IR to PD is by far the best bug they cooked for radars

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And gaijin going schizo between allowing you to fire Fox-3s with IR lock and then removing it, and then adding it again and then removing it again…

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