Most likely but irbis is an evaluation of bars so it might also be same.
Makes me Wonder if we have all the modern pesa and aesa Multimode radars wouldnt it be possible to give out False radar Signals to confuse the enemy?
if only the Russian navy would make a Su-33SM or something with an upgraded avionics + missile set and repaint them all in the peak dark navy color
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That’s my experience so far.
My SU30MKK can reliably track targets from 80-90km in TWS HDN mode when the game starts.
TWS mode however is less reliable than HDN mode and can go blind from time to time.
So I did some digging into Russian missiles and how the developers came to model the R-77 and the R-77-1 as well. I figured some things out but also was left with a few questions.
There is the R-27ER which is modeled as having 65km frontal aspect range in the given conditions of 10km altitude and 1,100km/h TAS co-alt and co-speed.
Chart:
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Notice the given conditions though, 10km altitude and 1,100km/h TAS for both the shooter and target.
I plugged in the currently modeled R-77 and R-77-1 in those given conditions. The maximum range for the R-77 ended up being 80km and the maximum ranges for the R-77-1 ended up being 113km (still within the 5% range margin of 110km). This aligns with the given figures from Rosoboronexport that states 80km and 110km respectively for each missile.
Knowing that this is how they model their missiles, the R-77 and R-77-1, is there any reason to expect that they won’t model the R-37M any differently with the same method?
Rosoboronexport lists the R-37M as having up to 200km.
RVV-DB
rvv-bd appears to be a modified version of r-37, not r-37m.
here is rvv-bd
r-37m has two datalink antennas, not one.
also, considering modified r-33 with a lofting algorithm was able to reach 228km range, i doubt rvv-bd;s max range is only 200km (which looks like export modified r-37 and not r-37m)
Did you take a look at the Mig-31’s launch speed in that scenario? That’s Mach 2.2 launch speed (2,400km/h) compared to 1,100km/h TAS at 10,000m.
R-37M at Mach 2 for both launcher and target would far surpass 200km into the 300km area of course.
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fair, but i still doubt they will model r-37m off rvv-bd just cause theyre different missiles (though both were based off r-37)
i mean the target is also going around 700 kph
Tbf, I did just showcase that they modeled the R-77 and R-77-1 based off of export range figures. In fact, Gaijin was already caught referring to Russian missiles by their export names in the form of RVV-MD.
the RVV-BD is not a R-37M
as pointed out by kizvy
its possible that it is ‘only’ 200km due to international laws on exports on long range missiles as some ppl have said
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Is rvv-bd similar to r-37m like rvv-ae is to r-77?
I’m pretty sure this is about cruise missile and only for those having a big enough warhead.
The question then is, what is stopping them from still using RVV-BD figures even if the model is externally different?
becasue it is clearly not the same missile
why would the r-37m have less range than they achived with the base r-37
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maybe the goal was the get more speed and g load ?
why would you want a higher g-load on a missile thats designed to shoot down AWACS
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