fair point. Sometimes ignoring bugs they cant fix in time is just better for the business too, in the long run cuz sometimes stuff gets fixed itself or whatever.
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Nope
It’s a Belorussian one, they also still use R-27s. Probably gonna eventually replace them with new missiles but for now it is what it is.
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Situations like these is why I like having a maws. Disorientated myself due to the over roll and completely messed up my initial notch, but because of the maws i was able to correct myself into the proper notch.
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Usually, it is enough to modernize the avionics and the aircraft can serve for a long time.
New comparison of STR vs the two charts that Gaijin uses to figure out STR for Su-27.
Maximum underperformance is only .6 degrees per second from manual values to game vales. However it appears that Gaijin turn rate performance is based on haphazardly smashing both of these together to create a hybrid flight model.
Essentially you have the STR curve from the T-10…except its just been lifted across the board. An then they have increased lift to match STR of the Su-27SK manual at around 550kph.
Orange line is generated by taking the sustained g-loading values in the Su-27SK manual, correcting between Indicated and True Airspeed, and then performing turn rate calculation on them.
Blue line is from the T-10 prototype STR diagram. This is the diagram you typically see that compares Su-27 to F-15/F-16.
This is probably the final iteration of the flight model unless Gaijin goes back and decides to implement a more realistic supersonic flight regime.
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It can no doubt, but as I said the design limitations cannot be ignored.
Su-27/30/35 are perfectly serviceable but I would bet when put against the Su-57 they all feel that gap in design.
all the early variant/prototype first flew in the 80s tho ? u make it seem like all the eurocanards were designed freshly in 90s ? even if we go by your logic then the gap between something as modern as su57 and the eurocanards would be greater the gap between su27 and eurocanard simply cus its “modern”.
Prototype the EAP flew in 1986 Typhoon first test flight was 1994
EAP is very different from the Typhoon.
Yes it should be that’s where the Typhoon will have to rely on it’s arguably superior missiles and sensors and is why Britain has procured the F-35 and is developing Tempest. Su-57 is generation 5 in the same way Rafale and Su-35 and Typhoon are gen 4.5.
Based on your logic we should have just put some thrust vectoring engines on a Tornado, improved the Radar and then it would be a match for Gen 4.5.
The aviation world does not work like that.
first you compare an intercepter to a pure fighter then you copare a fighter to a stealth aircraft. nice
Opsie, looks like i touched some nerve.
When it comes to you it never gets old i guess.
Yeah which is based on viggen and that has nothing to do with Gripen, second guy who made the report entirely focused on viggen’s current flight performance while decided to include MIG’s report in order to justify his point.
Smells a lot like you tbh.
Anyway back to the topic.
do you have a better source for the gripen ? or the source for its current FM ?
Do you? Aside from some calculations based on Viggen’s flight performance, if you dont stop derailing this thread.
We already talked enough about delta canards on Flanker Thread.
so the best source we have is its comparison with the viggen and you dont want that ?
Which has nothing to do with Gripen and yet you claim it has the best source?
Guess some people will try anything to do justify their claims
Whats next, you’re gonna tell me Su-27 can go toe to toe with EFT in any situation?
Ok then a MiG 31 the end result is the same the limitations are the same.
Yes Su-57 will be superior to the Eurocanards and Su-30/35.
Because it is newer design the airframe can do things that other jets cannot. Each aircraft has a development cycle built into it and the Su-30/35 - F-15/F/A-18 etc are at the limit of theirs the Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen are not. Otherwise we would just upgrade existing airframes without ever building developing new ones.
so how is the gripen modeled in the game did a dev just use their own STR/ITR values ?
Actually if you consider proper stealth jet concept its not even a new design, F-22 Raptor achieved superior stealth capabilities, avionics and most likely better flight performance in 1990-2000’s.
Russia just barely catching up with China and USA when it comes to 5th gens, tho their effort should be appreciated.
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I agree the F-22 and B-2 are a miracle, building stealth aircraft is notoriously hard and to build one that flies like the F-22 is a testament to the design bureaus that produced it.
mig31 is not a fighter and gripen is from the 80s