Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 2)

I won’t said its good. At that point the missile has almost the same speed as the F-15 any slight turn and he could have evade it. I still want to see what the Su-35s would be able to do with better speed and able to launch two at the same time.

I maintain the lock on him from the 80+km. I usually do that on player that are flying thing like F-15/EF/RAFALE. Just to piss them off. Some time even shoot some R-77-1 just to force them going cold.

He wasn’t. IMO he thought that he still have time to launch at some people. You can see the contrail of third missile he launch on the second pic.

1 ton. And imo that its too much…

Idk about that. You can see pic of Chinese flankers without paint and the amount of Al-Li/Composite and Titanium its the same. IMO what make the Su-35s heavy than other flankers its the Digital component. While its was the best Russian could build at that time. Its aged really fast. To the point that they change them on Late T-50 prototype. So the advantage of Chinese flanker on weight come from the electronic and in some case like J-16 its the absence of the Gsh-30-1 and it ammo.

No, it isn’t. The Su35 has extra fuel tanks, that’s what makes them heavier. Over 2 tonnes more fuel capacity in fact. As for extra avionics, the radar is lighter than N001, by hundreds of kilos.
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I mean it’s up to interpretation, cause different colour likely means different material usage, but well.


Su35 has the same colour through out.

Yea it have a new fuel tank where the airbrake was suppose to be. So its a trade off. Also is not like that fuel tank have fuel all the time. Its just an option for more fuel. That Area of the frame its a bit large on Su-35s compare to a su-27. But compare to an J-16 that its a two seater?? which add more weight??.

Yea IRBIS its heavy that its true. But that its a component or system that can be change at anytime. And its not part of the Frame.

not really

I know about the weight of IRBIS. But its true that Su-35s has more system than Su-30sm. Like the L-band radar on the wing. the IR maws… etc. So for me yeah su-35s its lighter than Su-30sm but end being about the same weight because of all these new stuff on it. I also still believe that the Knaapo brochure have Khibiny pod weight include. So the Su-35s don’t weight 19tons but close to 18.5tons.

Edit; Also note that that old Brochure talk about RAM on Su-35s and that also add weight.
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That’s been done since the 50s, the efficient supersonic cruise is not what the Eurofighter is accomplishing.

That’s not true.

It isn’t needed for parity, it is superior in dogfight range

No they were not, it was designated FGFA and shared very little with the production Su-57.

And? Supercruise was first coined as a term in the '50s. What are you trying to say by this?

You saying it’s not true isn’t true.
How’s that?

The R-74M2 is superior in range to the ASRAAM? How so?

Not once as Aero India '24 was FGFA mentioned, as it as a whole was cancelled. Zip. It quite literally does not exist.

You can deny reality all you want, but a ftot order was made for the Su-57’s N036 as well as a direct offer of initial production Su-57s.

SM2 integrates most of the Su-35 system too. I wonder if it includes the RAM, cause afaik the MAWS wasn’t included (or not yet anyways)

The definition has shifted, as things do. The F-22 is actually cruising, the Eurofighter is only “cruising” when compared to the fuel burn rate in AB.

Well, obviously I said it wasn’t true or everyone wouldn’t be able to see that I said it. What you said is totally unsourced nonsense.

That’s not what I said, quit trolling.

When people leave a project before it passes early stages it tends to just not exist, yeah.

EF can reach mach without afterburner = supercruise
stop that shit you already got clowned on in the EF thread for that

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ATM. Only some country like Quatar has AESA radar on their typhoons. These being early variant which would mean low “Quality” T/M. Germany would be the early nations on warthunder to get AESA on their Typhoons. But these AESA radar are not ready and at the start of this year it was still being tested on an Airliner.

That its now. He was talking about the past. Before India even “leave” the project. So technically both are correct?

Yea and Su-35s its suppose to get a new update this year. But we don’t know what update will be. I just hope its not just a software update to use new R-77M missile or something in that line.

@Qu_Rahn posted this Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22? - #1182 by Qu_Rahn the other day. Idk if old info and thing change with time. But even the F-22 supercruising have its caveats.

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wont change anything for WT tho

gaijin will add the aesa typhoons with the meteor or IRIS-T/ASRAAM so we have to grind more

Right now? yeah i does nothing. If gaijin do modele it correct in the future it would mean less range. But the points still stand. No Nations with Typhoon in game has AESA radar installed on them. In the Future when Germany finally start producing that AESA it could be installed on the Quadriga Eurofighters.

In what way is the Eurofighter unable to “cruise” above mach at mil power? It’s more than able to do such, and has shown to do it as well.

Can’t quite site a 2J here.

What is?

FGFA has no relation to the Su-57, nor does it exist. Get back on topic.

And I clearly stated Aero India 24, at which India was directly invited to contract Su-57 deliveries.

If he does mean prior to such, he’s failed to clarify.

What update?

Probably MLUs that just gives better lifetime/hours to the airframe. Unless Russia finally figured out a cheap way to make AESA which would honestly be a possibility since they started equipping pantsirs with AESAs now

No one was clowned, Eurofighter mains can’t accept that their version of supercruise shares no parity with the F-22. Instead they continue to push that the Eurofighter has similar or better kinematics to Sukhois which is laughable.

Repeating what you said after I debunked the nonsense is poor argument practice


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Its the same picture haha