It is a legacy design, like an F-15EX and performance figures exlcuding the fanciful Mach 2.2 (not combat loaded)
It is inferior to Typhoon.
The Typhoon is slower than the Su-35 afaik and beats it only marginally in supercruise speed according to certain documentation… but that is with conformal weapon mounts. Regardless, the term “Gen 4+” has nothing to do with flight performance. “4+” refers to the avionics, electronic warfare, and other features. To that extent, the Su-35 is vastly superior to the Eurofighter we have in-game. In fact, you could say the Su-35 is almost tailored to counter the Eurofighter with all of the electronic sensors and features it has.
Like the F-15EX, it is a gen4+ airframe. The Eurofighter is heavily dated by now and with a mech scan is at a considerable disadvantage. These airframes do not have parity and any enhancement in kinematics that the Typhoon has is essentially useless against a foe who has been tailor built to fight him.
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How so, did i missed something, i’m pretty sure India banned it from competing because it did not, and especially for it’s sensor fusion which was nowhere close compared to other planes.
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Gen 4+ is really a package one of the requirements is supercruise which Typhoon does well.
Typhoons mech scan Radar has fallen behind with the proliferation of AESA systems. Later Tranches aim to rectify that with an AESA system being tested and offered to export customers.
If map sizes in game stay the same when F-15EX or Su-35 are added at the point of BVR weapons release they will still be disadvantaged compared to Typhoon.
Not to say Su-35 and F-15EX are not incredible platforms
India banned mig35, not su35 iirc
Well, anyway as far as i get su57 was also not more famous in terms of tech according to the indian so i don’t see how the su35 would be better.
Ehh AESA sino flankers would be better. Not that it mwkes a huge difference in game anyways
Ragebait?
Su-35 and F-15EX are significant improvements to the base airframe
Eurfighter got an AESA radar
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Only took like 25 years after everyone else for the main operators to get it lol
well they have it now tho
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Maybe on a handful. But currently most typhoons in use probably still have M-scan radars
tbh i dont really care about the real life implecations, because they dont really matter as long as no big war breaks out (and i think nobody wants that) iam more interested in the implecations for war thunder
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su57 is itself highly capable, the main reason it was dropped was due to budget overruns (with only half of the money put into the project) and barely and transfer of technology. ever since they didnt recieve ToT for su30mki even after agreeing for licensed production, india doesnt take much orders without full ToT for jets.
not to mention the fact they werent even let close to a su57 (or t-50 in this case). serial su57 didnt exist till 2020 and india quit the project in 2019
also the mig-35 were dropped due to mediocre radar performance, other than that they already had capable upgraded mig29 in the inventory
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The entire point of supercruise is to be able to “cruise” supersonically. We’ve discussed this and you continue to bring it up to drag discussion off topic. The Su-35 meets the same criteria for “supercruise” as the Eurofighter I.e. it can’t.
The F-22 can cruise supersonically, meaning the throttle is at less than 100% and it is fuel efficient when doing so. The Eurofighter has to maintain 100% throttle to hardly exceed the wave drag boundary. It is certainly “cruising” in comparison to afterburner mode, but it does not have the best afterburning fuel efficiency.
The Su-35 has good afterburning fuel efficiency for the thrust class and has more fuel onboard to stay in the sky for longer. The sensor suite is tailored towards picking up emissions from 4th gen fighters like the Eurofighter and is equipped with a similarly capable IRST / EO suite.
Both have access to very long range air to air missiles and a number of potent short range missiles with the Typhoon having an advantage only really WVR due to the ASRAAM. That’s assuming R-74 variants aren’t simply better in close range encounters, which we don’t know anything about.
India was never offered the Su-57, the PAK FA and Su-57 are two separate programs stemming from the T-50 series prototypes and the airframes would have differed greatly. It is likely India was not happy with this and thought they were getting the same product as Russia when they first entered the program.
iirc the Indian version was called “FGFA”… India has not outright declined a potential decision to request the Su-57E export variant, however.
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Most Typhoons do not have an AESA, the Typhoon was made to fight an enemy 20 years ago who already had PESA. It is the last operational “gen4+” fighter yet to receive AESA and that timeline is still being pushed back.
It’s not down to percentages of throttle, it’s primarily dictated by the ability to breach supersonic at mil power.
The F-22A can hold mach at 71-74% throttle, but cannot surpass it from subsonic speeds without mil power.
The Su-35S, though, is indeed able to supercruise at mil. Its ability to reach supersonic speeds is still limited at mil, though, and it would either need a pretty hefty downward pitch or ab to reach it.
It’s especially interesting to see the tech used for ab ignition.
The R-74 is no thing more than an R-73 with a domestic seeker head. You’d need to go to R-74M2 for parity with the ASRAAM, as even the R-74M simply used a dual-band seeker.
The PAK-FA is the T-50. India was offered Su-57 models, the simple existence of T-50-4 and T-50-7KNS at the event doesn’t mean they were offered pre-production PAK-FAs that are not and will not be in production anywhere.
India’s only gripe was that it didn’t have as much multirole capability as they wanted… Which at this point, it has been proven to be quite great against ground targets.
They left the program due to costs. They even had their own domestic 5th gen shut down because of lack of monetary support.
Im preeeeeetty sure that T-50 was born out of PAK FA (Перспективный Авиационный Комплекс Фронтовая Авиация) program and Su-57, in term, is a final product (which is still being iterated on, but that machine was made perfect from the get go?) of the said program with aforementioned T-50 being a one of the steps (same way as T-10 for Su-27 family)