Most Typhoons do not have an AESA, the Typhoon was made to fight an enemy 20 years ago who already had PESA. It is the last operational “gen4+” fighter yet to receive AESA and that timeline is still being pushed back.
It’s not down to percentages of throttle, it’s primarily dictated by the ability to breach supersonic at mil power.
The F-22A can hold mach at 71-74% throttle, but cannot surpass it from subsonic speeds without mil power.
The Su-35S, though, is indeed able to supercruise at mil. Its ability to reach supersonic speeds is still limited at mil, though, and it would either need a pretty hefty downward pitch or ab to reach it.
It’s especially interesting to see the tech used for ab ignition.
The R-74 is no thing more than an R-73 with a domestic seeker head. You’d need to go to R-74M2 for parity with the ASRAAM, as even the R-74M simply used a dual-band seeker.
The PAK-FA is the T-50. India was offered Su-57 models, the simple existence of T-50-4 and T-50-7KNS at the event doesn’t mean they were offered pre-production PAK-FAs that are not and will not be in production anywhere.
India’s only gripe was that it didn’t have as much multirole capability as they wanted… Which at this point, it has been proven to be quite great against ground targets.
They left the program due to costs. They even had their own domestic 5th gen shut down because of lack of monetary support.
Im preeeeeetty sure that T-50 was born out of PAK FA (Перспективный Авиационный Комплекс Фронтовая Авиация) program and Su-57, in term, is a final product (which is still being iterated on, but that machine was made perfect from the get go?) of the said program with aforementioned T-50 being a one of the steps (same way as T-10 for Su-27 family)
They never 'banned ’ it, the Rafale purchase was partly: AESA radar + better awareness systems. The main consideration is however political, similar to that of Serbia, you don’t want to be too close as to your military strength is tied directly to Russia.
what are you referring to
India, MiG29s to Su30s to MiG21. Afaik they can in theory produce a load of stuff, but after all they are Russian, and India’s own production and maintenance can be said as dissatisfactory.
I won’t said its good. At that point the missile has almost the same speed as the F-15 any slight turn and he could have evade it. I still want to see what the Su-35s would be able to do with better speed and able to launch two at the same time.
I maintain the lock on him from the 80+km. I usually do that on player that are flying thing like F-15/EF/RAFALE. Just to piss them off. Some time even shoot some R-77-1 just to force them going cold.
He wasn’t. IMO he thought that he still have time to launch at some people. You can see the contrail of third missile he launch on the second pic.
1 ton. And imo that its too much…
Idk about that. You can see pic of Chinese flankers without paint and the amount of Al-Li/Composite and Titanium its the same. IMO what make the Su-35s heavy than other flankers its the Digital component. While its was the best Russian could build at that time. Its aged really fast. To the point that they change them on Late T-50 prototype. So the advantage of Chinese flanker on weight come from the electronic and in some case like J-16 its the absence of the Gsh-30-1 and it ammo.
No, it isn’t. The Su35 has extra fuel tanks, that’s what makes them heavier. Over 2 tonnes more fuel capacity in fact. As for extra avionics, the radar is lighter than N001, by hundreds of kilos.
I mean it’s up to interpretation, cause different colour likely means different material usage, but well.
Su35 has the same colour through out.
Yea it have a new fuel tank where the airbrake was suppose to be. So its a trade off. Also is not like that fuel tank have fuel all the time. Its just an option for more fuel. That Area of the frame its a bit large on Su-35s compare to a su-27. But compare to an J-16 that its a two seater?? which add more weight??.
Yea IRBIS its heavy that its true. But that its a component or system that can be change at anytime. And its not part of the Frame.
not really
I know about the weight of IRBIS. But its true that Su-35s has more system than Su-30sm. Like the L-band radar on the wing. the IR maws… etc. So for me yeah su-35s its lighter than Su-30sm but end being about the same weight because of all these new stuff on it. I also still believe that the Knaapo brochure have Khibiny pod weight include. So the Su-35s don’t weight 19tons but close to 18.5tons.
Edit; Also note that that old Brochure talk about RAM on Su-35s and that also add weight.
That’s been done since the 50s, the efficient supersonic cruise is not what the Eurofighter is accomplishing.
That’s not true.
It isn’t needed for parity, it is superior in dogfight range
No they were not, it was designated FGFA and shared very little with the production Su-57.
And? Supercruise was first coined as a term in the '50s. What are you trying to say by this?
You saying it’s not true isn’t true.
How’s that?
The R-74M2 is superior in range to the ASRAAM? How so?
Not once as Aero India '24 was FGFA mentioned, as it as a whole was cancelled. Zip. It quite literally does not exist.
You can deny reality all you want, but a ftot order was made for the Su-57’s N036 as well as a direct offer of initial production Su-57s.
SM2 integrates most of the Su-35 system too. I wonder if it includes the RAM, cause afaik the MAWS wasn’t included (or not yet anyways)
The definition has shifted, as things do. The F-22 is actually cruising, the Eurofighter is only “cruising” when compared to the fuel burn rate in AB.
Well, obviously I said it wasn’t true or everyone wouldn’t be able to see that I said it. What you said is totally unsourced nonsense.
That’s not what I said, quit trolling.
When people leave a project before it passes early stages it tends to just not exist, yeah.
EF can reach mach without afterburner = supercruise
stop that shit you already got clowned on in the EF thread for that
1 Like
ATM. Only some country like Quatar has AESA radar on their typhoons. These being early variant which would mean low “Quality” T/M. Germany would be the early nations on warthunder to get AESA on their Typhoons. But these AESA radar are not ready and at the start of this year it was still being tested on an Airliner.
That its now. He was talking about the past. Before India even “leave” the project. So technically both are correct?
Yea and Su-35s its suppose to get a new update this year. But we don’t know what update will be. I just hope its not just a software update to use new R-77M missile or something in that line.
@Qu_Rahn posted this Is the Su-57 really worse than the F-22? - #1182 by Qu_Rahn the other day. Idk if old info and thing change with time. But even the F-22 supercruising have its caveats.
1 Like
wont change anything for WT tho
gaijin will add the aesa typhoons with the meteor or IRIS-T/ASRAAM so we have to grind more
Right now? yeah i does nothing. If gaijin do modele it correct in the future it would mean less range. But the points still stand. No Nations with Typhoon in game has AESA radar installed on them. In the Future when Germany finally start producing that AESA it could be installed on the Quadriga Eurofighters.