I agree gaijin should allow secondary sources. Otherwise at one point it would be impossible to make suggestions or bug reports for modern vehicles.
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Thank you for the heads up! We can’t allow a perfectly valid interaction to be potentially taken down over trivial stuff like formatting.
Therefore, title edited!
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zero reasons why this HAS to be a suggestion
like remember last time when the community was confused, and there answer was even more confusing…
yeah I remember earlier this year aswell… might need more reforms for the community.
also this should go for shells etc… if they have sources that show it can do X and the game has it lower than what is possible, a better estimation should happen
aka a better shell rework. 2.0 Spanish avenger boogoloo.
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Hahah good one!
For example; if the formula states that a shell has (X) penetration, byt multiple sources state that it has (Y) penetration, then (Y) values should be taken into account to polish the raw formula’s values.
Why? Because the formula may not be taking into account multiple design nuances and features that may come with such advanced shells.
I agree with the usage of the formula by default and as a base as a standardised defaul and universal implementation method; but if too many sources refutes the formula’s values, perhaps it should lead to manual revision.
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I wish you good luck many give up already can’t blame them for Gaijin incompetent.
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Brilliant idea. All the best good sir 
Gotta add your topic to my game improvements list:
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Personally i thought this was how it worked already until i see the recent abrams situation along with the manpad joke of and explanation. Sum’d up in… If the Russian manpad couldn’t do it noone else can. Why ask for source material if your still going to ho against it.
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also congrats getting into hot in less than 2 hours, without the top two pins… (clearer speech)
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I will be honest with you, this rule should apply to most modern things. I will give example. I am currently responsible for LMM suggestion. LMM is a very modern missile, that saw its first combat kills un Ukraine. WIth that many of things about it i had to guess. One of them is max g. Based on what i was able to see on videos and calculate it pulls between 30 and 50g, that is a giant bracket, but getting it to more detailed number is nearly impossible. That leaves me with a giant problem, as devs seeing it will probably expect me to provide a specific g pull, based on source. Another thing is penetration of the warhead. I can look around for 3kg heat penetration, but what it will give me, i cant be sure it is like that. Here close enough guesses should be accepted.
Edit, my topic just got DENIED, so here i go remaking it.
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5% who voted no are on suicide watch rn (theyre russian mains)
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This, this and this again this would probably give the game new life and would be the highlight of the year single handledly.
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It honestly amazes me that Gaijin refuses to make educated guesses on modern armor. They have enough proof to know tanks like the Ariete, Challenger 2, Abrams, Leclrec, ect. Have better or enhanced armor packages yet they refuse to model them because “no exact protection values are given”. There are plenty of educated estimates from tank experts and state intelligence organizations. Use those in combination with secondary sources it can’t be that hard.
A change is long overdue good luck Spanish +1 from me
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It’s honestly so stupid that a game that sells itself on being “historically accurate” doesn’t work like this, the fact that they are so quick to change the rules of sources and if it should be taken into consideration is astounding. Especially the past couple weeks had been especially bad, I hope that the community sees the blantant disregard of sources and their eagerness to switch the rules that have been shown front and centre with the latest Abrams and manpad posts and can get gaijin to change how they model and balance their game similar to the recent economy rework. It’s so sad to see vehicles left to rot in broken states and made even worse with most updates (read ariate and Leclerc). Even someone like myself who trys to ignore and not believe the “Russian bias” ordeal, it’s so hard to look past just how bad and blantant it is when they refuse to believe the primary and secondary sources that show proof of something like the recent manpad post where their defence really is just “our technology couldn’t do that so there’s no way western technology could be that good”
I have my fingers crossed that all of this drama does spark change, a and hopefully a rework of their implementation to what you have provided but I find it so hard to have any hope it will.
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This isn’t a good idea.
ITS A GREAT IDEA!
I’m onboard with this Spanish, well done!
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I hope ya’ll sent feedback for 2024 roadmap.
Cause this is what I did.
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I agree completely. Too many issues with tanks like the Challenger 2 that have been denied due to “lack of sources” and yet they also dont want us to leak classified information. Which then means the Challenger 2 underperforms.
Only concern is that they’ll be in a position to choose what is enough material and that modern, classified vehicles get denied due to a lack of information, but certain ones still go through
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Thanks everyone for your comments, support and votes!
I would like to ask you to spread this as much as you can. The more traction, the more likely it is for this to get somewhere!
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I do agree with that but however community has its wants and you can tell by community supposing what will be next in update, fale leaks, videos, forum suggestion and talks.
What I basically mean is I am sure that Gaijin just cant choose to not implement a vehicle if that said vehicle is heavily requested by community.
Another matter is trying to keep up with top tier enviroment. We keep going into better and better vehicles, while some minor nations literally dont have that much to keep up and if these are any better than current is uknown. If you give only one nation something that you can model on top tier its no good step, you’re leaving other nations behind. Its better to wait for a moment you have collected data enough to model vehicles enough for other nations as well.
Gaijin chooses to try to give others stuff too, yet accuracy of that stuff usually suffers, and theres still nations left behind.
Perhaps Gaijin could add a rule or a secondary requirement for giving sources and etc where they can get information on modeling the vehicle right in the suggestion on forum.
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Good luck getting anything changed after an entire devblog informing everyone to fornicate with themselves.
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I have to agree with this proposed idea. We are at the point where primary sources are just simply not going to be obtainable because these vehicles are still classified. We can however use multiple secondary sources to provide a well educated guess that is most likely on track with how the vehicle is performing in real life.
Gaijin needs to understand that obtaining primary sources is just not feasible anymore and we shouldn’t be adding vehicles in based on sources that are both outdated and do not relate to the vehicle in question. In my opinion using a primary source for a completely different vehicle to base a new vehicle is literally the same as using a secondary source from the beginning because the source they are using isn’t even a primary source to the vehicle itself!
With this we should hopefully find the abrams and leopard getting armor buffs.
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