Subject: PL-12 series missiles need a mobility buff

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The PL-12 family should have its maneuverability improved, while the increased total impulse on the PL-12A should be retained.

Currently, the PL-12 is the worst missile at top tier. Its overall performance and individual parameters are all inferior to other missiles at the same BR. It struggles against both long-range and close-range targets compared to its peers.

Additionally, there is still a guidance issue with the PL-12 — the bug report was acknowledged but has not yet been implemented in an update.

It’s also worth noting that the PL-12 is the primary missile for most Chinese aircraft between 13.0 and 14.7. After the nerfs, the J-10A, J-10C, and J-11B are far less enjoyable to fly than before. On top of that, many of these aircraft already underperform against same-BR opponents in terms of airframe capabilities, which only worsens the disadvantage when they are forced to rely on the PL-12.

The PL-12 needs a boost in G-load / overload performance, or some other adjustment that gives it a clear advantage in at least one aspect over competing missiles.The PL-12 family should have its maneuverability improved, while the increased total impulse on the PL-12A should be retained.

Currently, the PL-12 is the worst missile at top tier. Its overall performance and individual parameters are all inferior to other missiles at the same BR. It struggles against both long-range and close-range targets compared to its peers.

Additionally, there is still a guidance issue with the PL-12 — the bug report was acknowledged but has not yet been implemented in an update.

It’s also worth noting that the PL-12 is the primary missile for most Chinese aircraft between 13.0 and 14.7. After the nerfs, the J-10A, J-10C, and J-11B are far less enjoyable to fly than before. On top of that, many of these aircraft already underperform against same-BR opponents in terms of airframe capabilities, which only worsens the disadvantage when they are forced to rely on the PL-12.

The PL-12 needs a boost in G-load / overload performance, or some other adjustment that gives it a clear advantage in at least one aspect over competing missiles.

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ITS NOT THAT BAD GUYS well its not r77 but guys see still out pulls are aim120 only r77 and mica are better

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it never the best but its like a jack of all trades

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to be exact iirc it only out pulls the 120´s thats it, also sometimes it doesnt even do that in my experience.
(it feels like the missile compresses really hard now at higher speeds for some reason)

You are better off using every other ARH in the game mostly.

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you’ve forgotten AAM-4 and derby/R-Darter from that list

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also kinda an unnecessary thread as there are like 2-3 other threads that show the PL-12 being utter garbage now

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yea your right let me make a new one:

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AAM-4 right next to PL-12 just a bit faster it seems

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totally only put pulling aim120 this PL-12 is low key underratted

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lowkey can sparrow roll every other missile in a 6km head just like the Pl-12 trust

Spoiler

and lowkey statshark isnt accurate

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if stat shark isn’t accurate which I’m not saying it is then players should stop using it for stats and no I have 0 experience with it being sparrow rolled

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i sure wonder why you dont.

Also check the videos in this thread if you dont believe me

like this has been discussed over and over, and this is not the first thread

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yea like some random noob in a su30 premuim is going to do a sparrow roll the video fox-3 posted was a head on not a real BVR with clouds and rwr screaming its not only about the missile its also about knowing when to fire it and what missile to fire so no some goffy ahh sparrow isnt dodging me

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does a real pilot fire just because they got a lock on enemy the quick answer is no they have to find the perfect timing to fire a 10 million dollar missile that could miss its the same with war thunder they may not be as expenisve but the are just as important if there isn’t 1 guy left in the game why are you spamming 3 pl12s instead of a PL-12 and a r-73 its simple guys really

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gamerino can “sparrow roll and notch” any incoming missile but what does that prove? it proves people just launch anything at anything doing anything why would I launch at a target going away from me? why would I launch a PL-12 in a headon instead of r77? why would I try to be in a headon In the fire place? why would I spamm 3 missiles at 1 f-14? why would I try to outturn a f-16? why would I be in dogfight with a SU30? why would I fire a aim7P in the BVR? think guys

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Not saying it doesn’t need fixes. But not really. I’d still say that is probably the C5

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ngl if its Base PL-12 its a strong contender at top tier as you get the nerfed pull but nothing in return unlike the 12A

and if my bugreport for the SD-10A is gonna affect the PL-12 even less range soon

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I can launch a PL-12A at a target 6 miles out in a head-on and he can just turn down and dodge the missile. No a modern fox-3 should in fact not suck this much.

Do name me one actual benefit the PL-12 currently has over literally any other top tier Fox-3, I’m curious.

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what do you mean by turn down and dodge and we are forgetting he has about 3 seconds of thoughts before he gets to go to the hanger the benefit is range

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btw can you stop having opinions on stuff you barely know anything about considering your whole 2* planes that you own with ARH´s, all of which you are negative in

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womp womp I only own 2 stalking someones stat shark to see what vehicles thay have is weird af anyways you can cry a river I wont care

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i checked cause ive seen some of your other posts and wanted to make sure you know what you are talking about…