So with the recent news from Gaijin about Japan also getting an Indonesian sub-tree, China getting a Singapore sub-tree and Britain getting a “commonwealth” sub-tree. This leaves 3 nations in the game without a sub-tree. Those being USA, USSR and Israel.
The most obvious choice for USA is a South Korean sub-tree.
The USSR has a number of options. All former USSR nations, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovak or North Korea.
But this leaves Israel, the only option could be Turkey, but that is questionable at best. It seems like Israel might have been an better option for a USA sub-tree than an independent nation.
USA does not need a subtree. They have an insane amount of potential vehicles and variants that’ve yet to be added. South Korea also has potential to be a subtree for Turkey in the future, or a United Korean tree.
Nah. Same as above, USSR has an insane amount of vehicles waiting to be added aswell. They do not need a subtree when they’re one of the most bloated trees in game. Not to mention that Yugoslavia can be a subtree for an Eastern European based tree and North Korea can easily go to China.
Not the only option. Singapore could go there but they don’t have anything significant for Israel. They can get Chile or Colombia, or both.
Hispanic nations should have their own tree, have you seen how they’ve added Thailand and BeNeLux? A Luso-Hispanic or Iberian TT is what I will always fight for. Neither the US or the USSR need a subtree, at all.
Neither the US nor USSR “need” a sub-TT. In fact I think the only nation that actually needs a Sub-TT is probably Israel. Sure Japan benefitted quite a bit from it, but the rest of the nations. Would have done just fine on their own.
USA and USSR should just continue to operate as they have. With export stuff, but mostly just there own stuff.
Israel actually apparently have quite close ties to the Singapore, so could be a good sub-TT for them. Ive heard Chile is also a good option. though An iberian-TT with LATAM would also be better
Also, as for most of the options for the USSR you laid down. I actually think they would make a better stand alone TT with Poland. A Warsaw Pact nation.
As for Britain being a ocmmonwealth nation… it sucks. It doesnt actually add anything good. Every single addition could easily be replaced by a native option. Canada and Australia having a kinda home is good, but beyond that, its just unnecessary. India should never have been added. Nor really should South Africa
Does china also realy need a Sub-TT? With China + Taiwan, they already have some of the best of both the easy and west. Singapore I dont think would really add that much they cant already get natively through one of those 2 countries
Belarus only plausible choice. Czechoslovak? Bro the USSR invaded them in 1968. North Korea wouldn’t work, and to be honest I’d love to see Unified Korea in-game, but lets be real that will never happen.
On the topic of Jugoslavija, nice try getting them in the USSR bro, never going to happen. Off topic but I’d love to see a Jugoslav + Non-aligned movement countries tech tree in-game.
not even close to true, Israel is very tricky. Id rather see Israel+Chile or Colombia
Personally I’d say Singapore would be a great choice.
For China Pakistan and Bangladesh would be better options, as well as North Korea unless they make a Korean tree. And even then those are second to many much needed fixes and additions to Chinese vehicles.
The US is South Korea’s closest ally, South Korean tanks are almost all joint projects, US imports or Licensed copies, And the main reason the country even exists is because the Americans intervened in the Korean war just as they where about to fall to the north.
If Germany can get Argentinian vehicles because their tech was used while also having a larger tree then there is 0 reason to not give the American tree South Korean vehicles, They could just mix the vehicles into the existing lines like they did with the Argentinian tanks.
“Ooooh they have so much yet to be added!” Yeah until you realize that 90% of those yet to be added tanks are going to be stolen by 6 different countries just because they where test driven once or because they made one of the screws holding the headlights on even if those other nations have dozens of identical counterparts already.
A united Korea tree would also be the most bland and useless addition to the game, Go look at the suggestions that where already made for the air trees alone, There is literally 1 single unique plane and a couple variants of it to add.
If the argument of “They have so much to add” is really going to be used then no nation in the game aside from Israel and Japan need sub trees, France, Germany and the UK all have an insane number of unique vehicles to add and Germany/UK both have significantly larger ground trees right now while also having access to sub nations.
Im just tired of this pointless double standard, Sub tree and copy paste for me but not thee.
There is no double standard from me. The US And USSR have a lot of prototypes and domestic vehicles yet to be added. Ideally we’d have Nation Folders so they can have South Korea, but we simply don’t have that system. Without it, a Korean subtree would just make the tree more bloated and the tech tree even harder to look at.
*Especially no double standard from me when I’m sitting here talking about adding a subtree to a much-needed nation (ISR), one I don’t even play. I mainly play Japan, and I wouldn’t want useless copy and paste either.
France I don’t think could fill as much as the US, same with the UK. Germany I get obviously. I really don’t think Germany needs it for the ground tree, maybe a subtree for their air as it has more gaps.
To compare those to the US though is a little hard. The US practically has zero gaps up until Rank 6/7 Air, and can fill most of the low-rank gaps in ground with their own vehicles. I mean, they’re still missing 3 or 4 Stingray prototypes. The US has the most vehicles in the game (417 according to the Wiki, just 10 more than the USSR) and still has way more possible additions.
…did you even look at the tree? The air tree is mostly unique variants or domestic vehicles (38/58) and the ground tree is mostly made up of unique variants or domestic vehicles aswell.
Yeah I don’t get this point. The US has tons of vehicles that only they have operated or maybe one other country. Especially prototypes.
^The issue is that Gaijin will add these vehicles less frequently than vehicles that have multiple operators. It is much easier to add the M55/M44 that multiple countries used rather than the Stryker Dragoon or V-150.
USA Aircraft Passed USA Ground Passed USA Heli Passed
All of this also fails to account for other vehicles that have yet to be passed to developers, or sometimes are only mentioned in other suggestions. For example, the Stingray II and Stingray M24 + Stingray M551.
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The planes in the suggested tree are all American ones aside for the FA/TA-50.
They have loads of light tanks, SPAA systems, Artillery and prototype medium tanks to add.
Maybe they might not have exactly the same amount that could be added, But they still have an insane amount left, Yet they get to steal US tech because they licked the paint of something in a museum once.
Only if you are including all branches in the game.
They have the largest air tree which is roughly the size of the Russian one.
However their ground research tree is significantly smaller than Germany and Russia by 20+, And the UK is larger by 10.
Even if you include their ground premiums and event vehicles including the ones you cannot even get anymore, Russia and Germany are still significantly larger and the Brits are only behind by a tiny bit.
You also seem to ignore just how much the US tree shares.
2.0-6.3 is almost all copy-paste, And yet you still see constant suggestions to copy-paste MORE by the other single nation mains.
Its funny that you link that, Because there are multiple foreign tanks that got passed like the B1 have near 50/50 votes because so many people DON’T want them to be added, And a significant chunk of that list are just slightly different versions of the same tank which just makes the list look bigger without actually adding anything significant.
Many of them such as the M1A1 AIM are suggested to be added as modifications to the existing tanks, Which again barely changes anything.
I haven’t bothered to play the US tree for the last 2 years after growing bored of how diluted it is with copy-paste and have instead switched to only playing USSR/UK/Japan because i cannot be bothered to waste my time on grinding a tank that will just be in 6 other countries later.
Even Germany is more fun, Because what tanks they do share are not shared with nearly as many nations except for the Leopards.
The United Korean Aviation tree is more in depth. We were talking about the United Korean tree, no?
More like Gaijin refuses to add unique vehicles because it is easier to buy one model and then copy and paste it to all the operators of said vehicle.
Irrelevant when we’re talking about Size. But the other points I can see.
I’m still seeing tons of unique vehicles waiting to be added. Just because there is some foreign vehicles, doesn’t mean there aren’t any there. And again, that list does not include other legitimately unique and US-only vehicles that haven’t been passed. It is just used as an example.
Bring that up with Gaijin. Why would they add unique Korean vehicles when they can just add vehicles used by multiple countries? They’re cheap, lazy and have become so disconnected from their own community. That however doesn’t mean that the US should get a subtree.
Even the united Korea air tree is not that impressive.
Its almost all US/USSR clones with at most tiny differences like a unique bomb with nothing else changed, A few new things are sprinkled in but its not worth making a tech tree around,Its basically a Chinese tree 2.0, It would be better to just add them to existing trees where it makes the most sense in terms of technology and relations.
Ground is a little better, But its still half copy-paste.
And again like i said with how they implemented Argentinian vehicles, They don’t need to be a true sub tree, They can just be mixed into existing lines.
It just makes no sense to make up a rule that a tech tree cannot get from anything from a nation that it works with so closely.
Its pretty obvious that North Korea will at some point go to the Chinese tree since its the least controversial nation they could get and i doubt anyone would be opposed to it outside of the hardcore united only people.
Untimely its Gaijins choice, And they have already denied giving SK to Japan too so there is no where else they could go.
Practically nothing from Rank VI–VIII is copy-paste, and from Rank III—V, maybe half is copy-paste, maybe even less. Most of the vehicles there are unique modifications or entirely domestic.
I do agree this is most likely, but I am worried they will end up as overwhelmingly paywalled/time-locked event and premium options, similar to what India is experiencing now.
I hope before this happens subtrees are reworked so there is enough space for South Korean vehicles alongside American ones.
Tiny differences? Most of these aircraft (especially North Korean) have undergone extensive modifications to increase flight performance, Air to ground and Air to Air capabilities. What matters is that they can be distinguished from the original aircraft by their improvement capabilities like the MiG-29 with it’s new AAM and glide bombs and the MiG-21 being able to use glide bombs which non of the MiG-21 family can.
You could see it like China where they upgrade foreign aircraft to their own standards and look how the J-7III performance compared to the other MiG-21. Additional weapon (more and modern), improved flight performance and avionics upgrades aren’t tiny differences.
Please highlight what vehicles according to you are Copy n paste because @ChieftainWarrior clearly described all vehicles and their difference between the original vehicles which would show that vast majority unique/uniquely modified vehicles.
Where is this obvious sign that North Korea will certainly be in the China? North Korea can definitely be in China and even i wouldn’t be opposed of it if it came to that point but i haven’t seen anything indicating that it will obviously be in China.
However Gaijin already showed interest in the United Korean suggestion back in 2020/21 (even passed it for consideration) and even mentioned it in a QnA, now of course this is a long time ago and opinions can change but it show they were interested in this idea and they might still be as no Korean vehicles (except for the F-5 and VIDAR) has been added (again) even though they are popular (maybe holding back). If it were obviously going to China ww would have seen more North Korean vehicles in China by now instead of Pakistani.
Ah, let’s give nations without room for a sub-tree(even more so with the missing families) a sub-tree. That’s how you get 99.9% of that nation as unobtainium(something that will happen to Swiss ground).
At most, only Israel needs a sub-tree, but it needs its countless missing domestic (non-medium tanks) first.
It’s sad to see Gaijin and much of the playerbase cling to this failure of a system. If you talk with those really active in suggestions and others to do with host trees, you’ll find the players there often dislike or want them gone.
Many UK & France player would like their sub-tree(s) removed (just take a look at suggestions and tree posts for them and you’ll see why).
Sweden players seem to have a love-hate with Finland(with its missing key gap fillers as TT).
Italy, I hear the least of, and it sounds like more of its sub-trees missing stuff than most other things. (most of its drama was from the German mains)
Swiss… well, I already commented on them, the only sub-tree I haven’t heard hate for, but it was wanted for the F/A-18 anyways so…
Thailand… Its addition is liked, but what has been added with it(bar a few) hasn’t.
I think that everything, but this system, needs a heavy rework before we try and add more. Stuff ~100 ir so years of military vehicles of a nation into a line or less clearly doesn’t work out, even more so when the host nation is denied vehicles as “there is no room”.
Big 3 don’t need subtrees, their popularity is way higher compared to other in-game nations as well as TTs filling.
Swiss subtree in the German TT is already kinda questionable, yes it brought better CAS options in jet era, but what will happen to Swiss ground tech and their numerous designs? Enlarge German tech tree up to 3 times more than any “minor” nation or leave all Swiss designs to premiums/event/BP?
I only agree on ex-USSR countries tech, but it isn’t really about subtrees imo.