I can definitely agree on Denmark being in Sweden.
One thing I still think about is the discussion on other nations vehicles being added.
I’ve always seen concern of new trees having the best of different trees meanwhile top tier Japan can now have vehicles of Chinese, Polish, German, Ukrainian, French, American and Russian origin alongside domestic vehicles all in a singular line up.
While I doubt Gajin will go to such lengths for all trees, it remains a possibility with the UK, France and Italy to get to Japan’s level without even introducing another sub.
I guess it’s also how different people define the minimum criteria for a ‘good’ tree (X% has to be unique to a specific degree, Nation must have extensive history, X has to have enough vehicles from one period to another etc).
To be fair this is just the reality for most nations. I think to some extent it’s unavoidable, but it also mostly balances itself out with a bit of care from Gaijin.
With a strong domestic industry, a majority of designs and their variants will not be found in other techtrees, and the techtree as a whole is more appealing as unique (unless gaijin skips most of the unique stuff, like they sadly do now too much).
In the long run these will also be the best for top tier, since there will be a point where others just can’t match them. For example while the US, Russia and China have their unique 5th generation aircraft, most others will be limited to either the F-35 or even nothing when looking at other in-game and future techtrees. So in that sense these are de-facto the “best” techtrees.
But with an import reliant military, while it might not be as interesting especially to players that have already played a techtree before (which generally speaking will be US or USSR most likely), can still be interesting though unique variations of these imports, unique lineup combinations. Most of the time there is even still domestic designs too, even if not as many as the major exporters.
But for this to work, we need Gaijin to be willing to focus more on vehicles that weren’t exported, especially for nations like US or USSR that share a lot of their current vehicles with others.
We might also need distinct loadouts, ammunition choices and maybe 3D models to make vehicles actually differ from nation to nation like they do in reality.
Good point. I think Gaijin also needs to streamline how research is done. Many countries that are viable, unique subtrees would require players to slog through each main tree from square one. This is especially true for nations that only really have unique modern vehicles and no WW2 stuff
Yeah. Personally I believe vehicles that are in game multiple times should get cheaper the more of them a player owns. That way the first is new for the player at full cost, the second is less new and cheaper, third even less new and even cheaper, and so on.
There’s a few suggestions of similar systems, like these great ones made by @Rowiek and @_SchwarzerPanzer respectively:
It’d also be nice to see Gaijin try to folder them more. it’s of course not always possible, but standard required progression should try to stay as unique as possible. Simple things like foldering an import M60A3 TTS behind a modified version could already help a lot to encourage players to play other techtrees.
Well, this point is relevant, more confirmation that the host tree overrides operator nation. As a book for US-used military stuff, it means the name will never be fixed, despite the fact that the name was never used on the Ram in service.
And Gaijin seem to be moving away from the word subtree.
Their official reason is that they want to move away from people expecting a dedicated techtree line, which seems to fit ther reshuffled layout for South Africa, which is no longer a single line but spread in the tree.
This makes sense since it makes the available space more flexible to the benefit of all involved nations.
Still, I also see this as an important move away from subtrees as “lesser” nations, making them officially take up equal opportunity to the host tree, even if it’s only as far as future additions go.
i was reading it and i believe you are wrong here, Smin said that Poland/Czechoslovakia aren’t subtrees to the nations that people said right now, not that they will not be subtrees in the future even to the said nations. So the front is till open that Poland/Czechoslovakia might be subtrees as they haven’t been denied as future subtrees
Confirmed is
TOR-M1
OSA-AMK
Leopard2HEL
Rafale EG
F-102
F-104 (-G variamt probaby)
F-4E AUP
Mirage 2000 (probably the 2000-5 Mk.2 EG)
A-7 (E OR H)
and a Sabre
