so your just proving the point that the only counter is another air platform. Your point? Russia still has the best CAS platform that’s the whole point, not multi-role fighters.
Russia will never have best multirole Jets because of their design doctirine.
In that case, the type 81 is the best dedicated spaa in game.
Howso? The Pantsir is the best spaa. Its design was intended for anti-aircraft engagements. Your comparing a multi-role aircraft to a strike aircraft, when the discussion is how to counter the SU25SM3. The only counter is to bring out another aircraft. The F16C Can be countered by the Pantsir so the parity between Russia currently isn’t balanced when someone can just grind the ground tree and have a relatively enjoyable time, as to every others nation has to be 'GrINd ThE AiR TRee"
The Gripen is far from the best multirole. Of course the F-16/Mirage can carry more. Just the point is the Su-25SM3 isnt a supersonic, highly agile fighter nor can it equip any form of Fox-3. F-16, Gripen and Mirage all can.
And therefore can defend themselves against any enemy CAP/Multirole more effectively. Thats the only point I was making. I hate KH-38s as much as anyone. Just trying to play switzerland a little here
KH-38s are the best AGM, there is no doubt about it
But its one weakness is the launch platform. Su-25SM3 is nonetheless… Still a Su-25. If it was on something like the Su-27SM it would be absolutely game breaking. Something designed for A2A combat will win every time. But yes, it is stupid that the soviet are STILL the only nation with a SAM with a range great enough to deal with any AGM carrier reliably. KH-38 was not needed, and either Pantsir shouldnt have come yet or every nation should have gotten equal ASAP. Instead here we are.
But Su-25SM3s are at 12.7 in ground, and so any aircraft they do encounter on a regular basis, is probably slinging Fox-3s and able to hard counter them quite well.
Making the point that what you are saying dodnt make sense because f16 is still better even in the cas role. Just because it can do anti-air doesnt mean that you cant compare the two.
Assuming a bad f16 player, yes. If i can deal with them in a harrier, people should be able to ise a f16
Pro tip for the kh38s, to counter ir, have your spaa within like 200m of a wreck or another vehicle. For the laser ones, the su25 has to fly into range as they have to point at you the whole time. And they can dodge much as the laser wont lock until they are within about 8km
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SU-25SM3, which is the aircraft we are talking about uses the Kh-29TE, they are TV guided with a maximum range of 30km. Your “pro tip is useless”
All AGMs have a lock on range of 12km. (though KH-38s and a few others like PGMs can hit a static target out to 20km, if the game will let you)
Pantsir has an effective range of 12-15km and a max range of 18km (iirc). Something like the ADATS is effective range of 7-8km and a max range of 10km. Even under ideal conditions any AGM can out range most nations top tier SAM, such as the US. Except the Soviets. They can out range any CAS. The one weakness they had was the lack of a decent F&F AGM at top tier. They now have that, and on top of that, its the best.
Just need every nation to get a Pantsir equivalent SAM, like the SP-AMRAAM HUMVEE or the Supercat HVM ASRAAM slinger and then maybe AGM upgrades where appropriate. Even if thats just giving AGM-65 a little buff. Should be able to lock on out to 20km but limited to 12km by game mechanics. (maybe 14km would be a fair buff?)
This works for AGM-65s fired by F-16s btw.
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Those wont lock much further out than the regular kh29t. Even then, standard tactics like using smoke, wrecks, and vehicles will work.
The issue is when you are on a open map with clear weather.
Yeah, tv and ir both just love locking to wrecks.
Yes when you know about them. Unless your using some system we dont know about that notifies you they are gonna hit, because LWS doesnt let you know due to them not using a laser
The IOG on the KH-38s can still allow a hit to occur. AGM-65 would just self-destruct. its small, but notable advantage. Especially as not enough SAMs even have Smoke.
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Fair enough.
I should try to do more testing today. I just hate that it takes 8+min to get a match.
Prove again that you don’t know what you are talking about but just take statcards and “muh op”
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Okay prove my point, what spaa system has a chance against the SU25-SM3. Besides bringing out an aircraft.
even a br9.0 fighter with 2 braincells can destroy a su25, you are the typical entitled american that wants everthing that is nos US to be nerfed cose america fuc yeah
Theoretically sure, if you don’t immediately get slammed by a Pantsir or the Su-25 launches an R-73 at your 9.0 flareless subsonic
Just got killed by one of these 40km ATGMs in my Flarak. No chance. its just easymode to have that much surplus range to all NATO AA systems. Just had a match where several spawned, turned around and climbed up far outside radar and SAM range. They hammered most of the team to death. Two F-16 guys going for them where shot down by Pantsirs. Pantsir creates a safe space within enemy map half…no one can do anything there.
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