The current conclusion i have is that RMB-1 early build R-73s have less potent con-scan seekers, with the RMB-2 early 90s production having Cross Array/Rosette scan.
Adding RMB-1 with current game balance would be perfectly fine. However RMB-2/AIM-9M would be a whole other issue.
you cant take the current in game R73 as a fact, it still is very bugged and propably will become stronger once fixed
Im not talking about Adding Aim-9Ms. Though I’d expect them sooner rather than later with jets like the Shar FA2 or as an upgrade for the F3 alongside AMRAAM. Im talking about taking the 9L we have in game (which by the way, should be significantly more resisitant to flares) and giving it an early IRCCM update. The Aim-9L/I, Even the most basic IRCCM missile would be a hugely unbalanceded addition if it was given to only 1 nation. Its tentative when given to only low performance ground attack aircraft. But start throwing it on air to air fighters, especially one as good as the Mig-29, with even 1/3 the power we currently see in game from the R-73 and top tier becomes a 1 horse race.
Without even something half as good on the other side. No one would play top tier and air combat would be the same as GRB is now
Apparently the model we have in game is R-73E because it has a 45° off-boresight instead of the standard 40° and 60°
You seem to be mistaken, flare resistance/IRCCM is present in the seeker attenuation on missiles as early as the AIM-9J/R-60M. The sophistication gets dramatically more effective with these 4th gen IR missiles.
I am aware the 9L should be a lot stronger, so should the Magic 2, and PL-8/Python 3. However with current game balance IR AAMs having these functionally undodgable missiles with more sphisticated IRCCM (specifically the Magic 2 and R-73) is a bad joke with current player knowledge.
To be clear i completely agree with you, I want future forum readers to have a better grasp of what is being discussed. Gaijin needs to invest in explaining capabilites and in game functions at top tier. Someone without a serious passion for modern combat will be very confused.
that explains a bit, of course they instantly get an upgraded R73 variant
@Smin1080p are you abel to tell us if the current R73 on the SU 25BM is supposed to be the R73 E variant or is it still subject to change. Or might it be a naming mistake that it didnt get changed to R73 E yet?
The R-73 never saw a rosette seeker to my knowledge. Even the earliest as well as export examples started with a crossed array seeker. They have two thermal elements, and a very small fov (1 degree?). In-game the IRCCM is ambiguous and seems it can be a balancing feature to play with.
R-73 and R-73E are same. Both share MK-80 seeker.
From what i found the first series R73 had a ±40° boresight . The second series which the R73 E was a part of has ± 45° boresight and other small differences, that is the same information kingtierz found.
Might be small upgrades that is why russia didnt bother yet to give them a while new designation for their own missle
I don’t know where you get this from but it’s wrong. All R-73, R-73E and R-74 has same MK-80 seeker with ±45° lock angle. Only 40° thing in R-73 is max AOA.
11.3 gets 10.3 matches 1 in 30 times it literally is non existent
Thats only valid as long as we dont yet have 12.3 and 12.7, you need to see it as a fact for the future and it still happens and the chances will increase
No. Bad Idea, I won’t give away my ER1 for some IR missiles, which probably just get flared off as any other IR missiles ingame is beeing spoofed by pushing the magic button. After some whining even Stingers go for flares now (just a few more neccessary). So CM inert radar missiles are a complete different ingame standard than IR ones. So far all IR IRCCM mechanics have been nerfed ingame and Archers won’t be any different. Give it two weeks of whining and Archers get flared as easily as R-60ties…
Same for 11.0 currently. Almost all matches are +1 uptiers. Its just the huge top tier player bubble sucking in most players waiting for a match.
and R-74M2 :>
E version is the export variant and was better in high off boresight (+5 degrees on the R-73)
And you got this from? Wiki? Maybe you even know the name of this fictional seeker with ±40 deg?
Even better ‘BRO’
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Where does it say that export R-73E has better lock angle then original R-73?
