Sometimes russian players are asking for too much. Don’t make the Suchoi’s even stronger.
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Dev can’t add R-73E, R-27R1 and R-27ER1 on Su-39 because limitations of rank 7 BR no higher than 11.3
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@oom1992 Adding R27R1 missiles to the SU-39 would not improve its performance beyond that of the premium MIG-23.
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because the MIG 23 has all that additional air to ground loadouts on top of it, it would raise its capability to strongly in grb matches
I agree that would lead him to have a good defense because he doesn’t have it with the r60m
it has IRCCM as passive defense, in grb that is more then enough
don’t make me laugh with your statement, because what good is having it because you can’t defend yourself using the r60m that alias you still only have 2 and rarely hits the target while the iam-9l, pithon3 and pl08 all hit the target
and not to mention that you will not only use it in tank battles but in airplane battles and using the r60 you basically do nothing and in fact the su-39 can operate this armament because it was made so much for air-to-air combat /air-earth
No it wouldn’t, that’s the point we’re trying to make is that while yes it is a very capable ground attacker, it is utterly terrible at even defending itself in air to air combat even tho IRL it had the tools too do so. Keep in minde it still has very poor flight performance when compaired to other jets at its BR and giving it something like two R-27’s would help level the playing field, not make it OP.
I think you forgot that even if it magically went to 11.7 it can still remain within rank 7, and a example of this is the Ka-50.
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The IRCM doesn’t even work against missiles seen at 9.7 like the AIM-9G let alone 12.0 worthy IR missiles. The IRCM is more of a passive-passive thing which requires the input of both flares and IRCM in combination but alone the thing is utterly useless.
You choose a realy bad comparison, the Ka-50 was a mistake as a premium if anything else, it is a p2w vehicle that gets spammed like crazy because it is so strong.
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Ok…It still proves the point that it’s possible so I’m not sure how your argument negates that. if the Su-39 were to receive a buff, first fi all it could probably stay right were it was at 11.3 since it’s already doing so terrible, second even if adding R-27’s did cause it’s performance to shoot up too high, it could just be moved too 11.7 and still remain a premium.
u didnt realy listen, the whole point is that premium currently shouldnt be 11.7, the possibility of this happening is the problem, it is not healthy for the game, and propably would screw up ARB even more, the Su 39 would basicaly never see a downtier anymore, 11,3 and 11,0 already is very rare to get downtiers, you would buy yourself completly to top tier and newbs will do it, you will destroy the whole ARB for those that have it on the team just like the su 25k is very bad for their teams and mostly leads to loses,
Like this it stays a Strike Aircraft for GRB and is healthy for the game!!!
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It was an example of its BR not the vehicle itself, I wasn’t comparing them as a whole but how 11.0 vehicles can still remain 1 bracket lower than it actually should. Even if the SU-39 magically was 11.7 with the R-73E or R-27ER1 it could still remain at its tier.
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Again u dont read, the KA 50 is the worst example, 11,7 is to high it is the exeption because it is to strong, it is a miscalculation on gajins part that this ever happend. And only russia would have 11,7 premiums then, this is not normal but a simple mistake, they just didnt bother ranking up the KA 50 to rank 8 because it would look bad!
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Your not listening to us, your insisting on a lack of flexibility the devs have show there willing to exercise if needed but you insist it’s not possible even tho it is. First of all just beacuse it’s a strike plane dosnt mean it should suffer, and there are plenty of strike planes in game that also do well in air RB so your logic is flawed and unhealthy for the game. Also pls understand the Su-39 was built to also fight air targets if needed so there’s no reason it shouldn’t be capable too do so since atleast adding R-27’s too the plane shouldn’t make it OP even at 11.3 as you said it almost always sees uptiers.
Again you just come off as someone who wants to force this plane to suffer for arbitrary reasons that would make this game worse to play if applied to everything. Also the Su-25K didn’t ruin the game at its br any more than any other strike plane, and actually does pretty alright, so ime not sure why you singled it out as an example.
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I give up on you , you dont see the light of the day anymore typical russian main. It doesnt matter what it can do in real life it is a balancing decision so stop taking this as your point.
And funny you say the Su25k wasnt a problem, u only show your ignorance, opposite to the Su 39 ,the Su25k was a menace in ARB because of its all aspects missles in potentialy 8.7 matches
I wont reply further to you, since you clearly have no clue
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Lmao you won’t reply to me further cus you dont have an actual argument. My entire point is that the place is unbalanced and suffers in air RB at its current BR. Thaings is it’s not even that hard to balance the Su-39, you just insist it needs to be held back for reasons that arnt applicable to the game and have never been. You clearly don’t understand how balance is supposed to work in war thunder and probably shouldn’t be making such authoritative remarks considering that
It’s funny too cuz you call me a Russian main even tho I play plenty of US as well. Maybe if you stop applying you silly mentality the Strike planes have to suffer in air RB and actually played the Su-39 or Su-25T you’d realize it’s a miserable experience and make the plane useless at actually doing its job of grinding the air tree.
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All the Su-39 players on here saying it needs better missiles because it cant survive at 11.3. Meanwhile the Harrier Gr7 is at 11.7. Considering the fact that the Su-39 has better AGMs, Im waiting for the Su-39 to be raised to 11.7 next BR changes. Im surprised it started so low. Its BR will be 100% decided by GRB and anyone trying to fight in ARB with it, should just accept the fact that they are a meatshield for the rest of their team
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