Just give it r27T or r27r it doesn’t need the best just to get good missiles
oh i watched them , the thing is in war thunder it isnt enviosend as a multi role fighter currently, it is supposed to be a pure cas striker, just repsect it, you just dont understand that simple fact
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Slapping higher performance AA missiles on a designated subsonic strike fighter also doesnt just make it suddenly a multirole. At this point trying to discuss this with him is just a waste of time.
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Rest in peace to anyone who buys the premium variant without having a top tier ground lineup.
well sadly not a problem since most russian wallet warriors get the whole set
“The whole set” lol
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The simple fact is that the SU-39 should be able to play its own gamemode instead of being forced to play air simulator or ground realistic.
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What do you mean??? its main gamemode are GRB and Simulator
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Well how else would you call it xD, turms, 2s38, Bmp 2m , Ka 50, Mig 23ml and now the SU 39, is the definition of a wallet warrior line up, not any other nation comes close to such a competent line up like the russians, other nations only dream about having premiums like that.
in the mean time people cry about SU 39 not being a jack of all trades shooting down other planes, when it fits perfectly into the wallet warrior line up of russia
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Yeah but there is a issue with that, not everyone is going to be able to drop over a 100$ on premiums and even then ground isn’t going to help you grind air and not everyone is going to know how to play simulator, it’s a mode that takes time to learn and even then that mode has its own set of problems, but I’m not going to get into that. This issue also hurts tech tree vehicles and vehicles from other nations, which is why I’d like to see dynamic or split battle ratings despite what they said about it months ago.
Alright I’ll make this lengthy paragraph for those who are incapable of comprehending the basic, and I’ll be reposting this in the future so people don’t simply overlook what I’ve got to say about the state of the SU-39.
The SU-25TM was based on the SU-25T upgrade package originally for the SU-25UB trainer variants, replacing the co-pilot with more enhanced avionics making it capable of doing night operations unlike the original SU-25s.
As the SU-25TM program continued it was redesignated the SU-39 and was given the capability to carry the kopyo radar under the fuselage replacing the mercury pod or the FLIR pod if needed depending on the mission requirements. This also came with other additions like the R-27ER1/R-27ET1, R-73E and the RVV-AE.
Why was it given these type of ordinances? Simple, and this is because (now the Russian Federation) wanted to give the SU-39 the ability to engage air targets with more lethal A2A missiles instead of it’s mere R-73E which was being used as a “defensive weapon” like on the previous SU-25T variant.
Payload:
4x R-60M (2x in-game)
4x R-73E (not present in-game)
4x Kh-29T/Kh-29L (theoretically)
2x 9A1472 Vikhr-1
8x Retarded & Dumb Bombs
8x Unguided Rockets/Rocket Pods
4x Gun Pods
4x Kh-25M/ML/S-25L (theoretically)
4x R-27/R-77 (not present in-game)
2x ECM Pod (outer pylons)
and other ordinances states in the sources below
Source:
https://www.enemyforces.net/aircraft/su39.htm
The issue in War Thunder besides the blatant inability to engage aircraft is the issue of NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY YOUR OWN GAMEMODE which is something people are still debating.
Another issue is also the SU-39 having virtually no difference between the aircraft it was meant to succeed, and the only difference being the kopyo radar. It’s like adding the F-15A and F-15C into the game and heavily restricting the F-15Cs ability to carry A2A weapons basically turning it into a identical aircraft.
And if you guys consider the addition of the R-73E or R-27T/ER/R too early then what should be the fix? We can’t just ignore the fact that the plane is suffering, and waiting for the next major update or separating ground and air battle ratings wouldn’t be realistic.
I’m not saying add all the things the SU-39 operated in real life but to consider them in the future + obviously we should get the R-73E or R-27 as a buff
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All i gonna say is that it isnt suffering in its main battle modes GRB and SIM, ARB is secondary, currently there is no fix simple as that, the addition of the IRCCM was a mistake it doesnt allow the vehicle to go much lower in br as well, the result is, sucks to be you life with it.
And we got multiple premiums that are a 1:1 copy from a tech tree one so i dont see your problem their either.
The plane truth is, that gajin never meaned for it to be a tech tree grind vehicle, its job currently is for ground players to get a CAS plane without needing to first grind trough a whole tech tree, if you cant accept it for what it is meaned to be… well sucks to be you as simple as that
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Yeah I can agree that in both simulator battles and ground realistic it isn’t suffering but my main concern is air realistic battles. I’m not here to constantly argue with you guys or randomly spew information everywhere but to discuss what should and shouldn’t be introduced into the vehicle.
And we got multiple premiums that are a 1:1 copy from a tech tree one so i dont see your problem their either.
The issue is that the SU-39 a upgrade package of the SU-25T isn’t much of a upgrade in War Thunder. I wouldn’t mind if it was like comparing the SU-25UTG to the SU-25UB but the SU-39 is a direct upgrade over the SU-25T in literally most ways.
Well, it really doesn’t help your argument that you don’t even have either vehicle.
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Did i lie at any point? It being good in Sim and GRB was confirmed by Smin, i agree it sucks in ARB never said it didnt, i am just stating the current facts about the situation dont need to own or play them for that
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and it might get upgrades once the appropiate missles like R73 might get added at one point, but the R27s currently arent the solution
that or give it the r60m 4 payloud always said that as anb options as well
These are my stats for the SU-39 (I’m pretty experienced and consider myself above average in skill)
48+62 air and ground kills with 98 deaths (ratio of 1.12) which is pretty poor
R-27 missiles are needed for now.
Here it’s not that this aircraft doesn’t need it because it’s CAS after all.
This is the wrong thinking of backward people.
Here it’s about exploring modifications to start playing GR at last.
And I’m talking about the SU-25T here.
For the SU-39, it’s about grind money and exploring the tree.
well yeah the Arb will destroy the ratio since it isnt supposed for it or are those mostly pure ground?
Bro even the 4x R-60M would be something good it’s just that the 2x R-60M is generally holding back the vehicle. I don’t even main Russia but I can tell without a doubt that it’s pretty mid for ARB.
well yeah the Arb will destroy the ratio since it isnt supposed for it or are those mostly pure ground?
48 are aircraft kills and 62 of them are ground.