Whatever you post won’t be official documetation, it will be promotional materials at best, officially it’s Su-25TM and nothing else. Nobody renamed Su-25TM-4 to Su-39.
So are we going to ignore the fact the new upgraded FCS named the SUO-39P follows the name formatting of the SU-39? Yet again, I’ll go further in-depth into the topic whenever I get on PC (currently at the repair store near me).
found another suggestion about R-77 for Su-39. Had not seen it before unfortunately. Lots of “same problem” clicks here, you can click again to let it be known that many are waiting for it:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ZVQw6XfaEFiE
In general maybe the lack of P-77 for Su-39 is that Su-25T in tech tree can’t get them with it. However, a “Su-25TM” modification could be added that would give access to kopie-25 and R-77.
Or introduce Su-25TM separately in tech tree and make Su-39 its equivalent
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It didn’t make name be changed to Su-39 from Su-25TM-4.
How the name Su-39 appeared.!
The act on the completion of state tests of the Su-25T was signed in September 1993. It recommended that the attack aircraft be put into service, and also pointed out the expediency of assigning it a new index as a next-generation combat vehicle. In early 1994, an order was issued by General Designer M.P. Simonov to assign the Su-39 index to a specialized anti-tank attack aircraft.
That is, Sukhoi Design Bureau has already requested a new index for the Su-25T.
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Cool, but U-UAZ doesn’t think so, whatever Simonov assigned, it was assigned only for promotions.
With all due respect to U-UAZ, we still do not have a factory that gives indexes to aircraft, the Su-27K / Su-27M and Su-27IB are vivid examples of this, and adoption often takes place formally retroactively…
We are interested in the first Su-39 presented at MAKS-95 tail number 10 (T-8TM-1 converted from T-8M -1), Su-25T tail number 09 was also presented there…
And now pay attention to the chronology…
The anti-tank Su-25T was upgraded to the more multipurpose Su-25TM. the first car of the new modification was the T-8M-10 in 1996 (board No. 10 blue). The standard version of the Su-25T modified for mass production made its first flight, was tested at the GLITZ in Akhtubinsk and was adopted under the name Su-39.The Su-25TM has been deployed at the Ulan-Ude plant since the end of 1991.
The first batch of Su-25T produced in Tbilisi was transferred to Russia in 1994. In 1996, 6 T-8M aircraft produced by the Tbilisi Aircraft Factory were transferred after modifications to the Lipetsk Center for Combat Use of the Russian Air Force for military tests.
It is not known what improvements there are, but the possible presence of a Spear and R-77 missiles are not the main features of the Su-39 index…These Lipetsk Su-25ts are often referred to as Su-39…
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In general, an option is possible both with the T-64A tanks of the latest modifications of 1983 and the T-80UA/BA-tanks were adopted, but were not mass-produced…
It is also possible to finalize the bulletins …
- Su-39 tail number 83_LIPETSK 2005 (produced as Su-25T serial number 01-013)…
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That somebody refered to Su-25TM as Su-39 doesn’t change the fact that only documentated official index is Su-25TM
I vote we start calling it the Su-39TM :P
I disagree-the index is assigned when adopting (if officially), in other cases according to the Documentation of the Chief Designer…Factory documents These factory documents are not used in Air Force Documents…Only in the Maintenance Documents.but there you need a Product form…
Betridinov has a discrepancy-he claims that both “09” /“10” are Su-25TM in different configuration…
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“The plant produced the pre-production T8TM-3 aircraft, which made its first flight on August 15, 1995. From the same year, the vehicle received a new official name Su-39 ” - ISBN 5901668014
The initial SU-39 was designated as T8TM-3 which was produced at the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant, it was later renamed the SU-39 following test flights (after August 15th but before December 31st) in 1995.
After a bit of digging and found that there was a entire sub-system named after it called the Cy-39 STRIKE SHIELD (Cy-39 being SU-39 in Russian) showing us a possible upgrades performed on the T8TM-4 from the original SU-25TMs.
It even mentions the R-27R or R-27R1 as it’s a export vehicle, may hint to the SU-39 never being equipped with the R-27ER1s (less of a excuse to add them now lol).
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Also would like to mention that the SU-39 still hasn’t received the KAB-500Ls, would be nice to get it alongside new A2A weapons like the R-27R1/T1s and possibly the RVV-AEs.
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Still think the kab-500l is one of the most useless weapons the su-25t/39 could have gotten.
Kh-25MTP, r-27r/er, r-77, kh-25mpu, kh-31p/a are much more useful
Same can be applied to GPS bombs, it’s not that I want them for effectiveness but I want them for historical purposes.
The Kh-25MT/P would be the most significant upgrade for CAS the SU-39 could receive and the RVV-AE for Air RB.
The most realistic secondary weapon we could receive would be the Kh-25MT and R-27R1
Kh-25MT is never exist. Only very small batch of kh-25MTP was produced.
I have sources, that says 5 Kh-25MTP.
Kh-25MT has no chance in game
I don’t see a problem with the P-77 and upgrading the BR to 11.7.
At 12.0 there is an AV-8B plus with 4 AIM-120s and much better radar.
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The issue is that is taking into account GRB only
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ARB this should also be 1-2 steps below the AV-8B Plus.
4 AIM-120+2 AIM-9M vs 2 R-77+2 R-60M (you can issue R-73s to the outermost pylons instead of R-60Ms).
Still R-77s. Id place it at 12.7
This is the official weapons loadout for the SU-39 in which it does mention it was capable of carrying the Kh-25MT, it could’ve been either a proposed or functional thing but it’s mentioned on this secondary source which has been acknowledged.
Only very small batch of kh-25MTP was produced
This does mention the Kh-25MTP however which would be a straight upgrade to the Kh-25MT and I’d take that anytime of the week.
There is only one issue with this however, it’s missing the R-27R1/ER1. I have other sources which mention the R-27R1 anyways (couldn’t find anything for the ER1, probably didn’t carry them).
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