The utlimate answer to this thread and i think a lot of other is as simple as this :
Separate BR in ground and air.
As i said, im using the su-25T, not the 39 and oh boi, it is the worst stock grind i had ever had in my whole war thunder experience.
I’m trying to tell you that if something was not entered into your tornado, this does not mean that I do not have the right to demand the correct implementation of the Su-39, for example.
Just because you are silent and waiting for the radar for years, nothing is moving anywhere.
If the players do not give negative feedback that they were sold an unreliable cropped plane for $70, then the developer considers that this is normal
Where did you get this quote from?
it could have R-27ER, R-73 and R-77. Those would require it to be at least 12
R-27R technically arent historically accurate from what I understand. But would be a compromise to keep it at 11.3-11.7 but even then could be quite strong in certain situations as they are on par with the other nations top tier BVR AAM
This, of course, is necessary, but I rather return to the question that the developer introduces a meaningless radar that has nothing to direct and does not give the aircraft what distinguishes it from the previous modification
Sorry, I would never do this. It’s easier to work instead of grinding and buy a su-39
not silent, but I cant shout as loud as Gunjob can, and if his shouting has achieved little in 7 months, then my shouting really isnt going to do anything
I think this is a response to a rather dumb topic where people, instead of asking for things that are already in the game and balanced (R-27R, thermal imager), wanted R-77 and R-73, which will be completely broken, like brimstone
I couldnt agree more, been saying the same thing ever since the Su-39 was added. Would fix so many problems
Not the only one, Jaguar Gr1 really really sucks
Yes and no. But I think its still relevant.
True but at least you’re fast and can bomb base. A subsonic aircraft at 11.3 is hard, but when your only grinding solution is to bomb base you are actually thinking about smashing your keayboard
Will be nice to finally have something “meta” that isnt soviet or US.
Actually, you can’t. Jag Gr1 starts with no secondary wepaons at all, none. No AAM and No bombs. You also have no CMs. You are sub-sonic with no upgrades and have to gun fight at 10.0. In a bomber
I tend to think that the planes should be logical and similar to real ones, the rest is corrected by the correct BR.
Su-39 without a thermal imager / other radar and R-27 - not Su-39.
It literally doesn’t make sense.
This is an insult to the history of the aircraft and a good design idea that was ahead of its time in many ways.
The Su-39 fell victim to the collapse of the USSR and was not fully completed. WT exists so that I can play a technique that no longer exists or was experimental.
However, even here I see a cheap copy of the Su-25t
Damn, didn’t grind the Jaguar but after knowing that im definitly not going to try lmao. At least it was introduced before the 4th gen and radar misile spam
Swedes - tanks, helicopters (lol, they just got the mi-28a and t-80u 2 BR steps lower due to the lack of 1 projectile).
China - helicopters
Yeah, but its really really close to that area, I tried and failed to get anywhere with it, so stuck a £5 into the game and bought the first set of bombs, after that spading it in SB was much simpler. But even then, still a rough jet to use at 10.0. I spaded it fairly recently as well, as I had skipped it and just spaded the Gr1a previously
So swedes got Soviet tanks and helis and therefore are now also meta?
Well, firstly, they received Soviet things on preferential terms.
The Mi-28A is 10.3 much better than the Mi-35.
Swedish t-80u for 0.3 BR gets a ton of advantages (more than half a dozen) over t-80b
The USSR has T-80U at 11.3 (the difference is insignificant in 1 shell)
In addition, the Swedes have leopards that are simply better than German ones. I hate them because they are an extremely toxic tank with a minimum of vulnerable zones (I’m talking about strv 122)
The same can be said about the Tornado. No GMR, No TFR, No JP233, Heck, not even a decent guidance system for lofting bombs (bug report added for that like a month ago). CM count stupidly low, no ECM.
All im saying is, the Su-39 isn’t unique, it can take and likely will take months for any changes to even be considered. Gr1 only just got PGMs and they are still a bit buggy. It can take up to a year maybe longer for a jet to be “finished” and even then, it wont be 100% accurate.
I think i know what’s going to happen, they said the the su-39 got a radar the 25t didn’t receive because the 25t will not be the last SU25 in game. So i think they will introduce the best su25, the su-25TM in some time, give it A2A missile (R-77 will maybe be already in game), and the thermal pod to both the SU25TM and the SU39. They cant give the 39 alone A2A missile because they cant make a premium plane a better versions than a TT one.