In the last update, the Su-33 squadron vehicle got from 13.3 to 13.0. I don’t really understand the reason of this one, it was better of at 13.3 I think.
The German Mig-29s though, are still on their normal BR. The Mig-29G is with 4x R73Es and 2x R-27ERs still on 13.0. The Flanker and the Mig are very similar, but the Flanker has more missiles.
Why are they on the same BR still? In my opinion, the Mig-29A belongs to 12.3 and the G to 12.7 or the Su-33 just goes up to 13.3. Again.
What do you think?
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Only way the 12.7 Mig29s can move down is if they lose R27ER. Those are OP at even 12.7.
13.0 is just stupidly compressed and the Su33 should move up
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Pushing the Su-33 down in BR was a mistake decompressionwise.
This can’t be the reason to let other vehicles go down either.
Fairness should always been thought from bottom to top, not vice versa. So the first question always should be which planes it faces in a full downtier.
But GJN only watches success instead of setting success in comparison to player skill. So I think success is low, because all squadron vehicles often were flown by unexperienced players.
Additionally SU-33 lacks Fox-3 missiles all other 13.3 have. For GJN another reason, because the only planes with Fox-3 at 13.00 have weak flight models.
There is too much compression, every problem with the game comes back to this. Jets that have a way bigger loadout should be spread by at least .3 BR even if the weapons themselves are the same. Like in your example, the Su-33 has four times as many SARH missiles and twice as many IR missiles as the 29G at the same BR.
Su-33 lacks foxes, but got some good radar missiles for sure, not to forget about the R-27ETs, which can be used as a fire and forget and long range even and is better than a fox-3 in some scenarios.
I mean yes, they are quite good for sure. But the 12.7 Mig-29 got R60Mks, which are very close range and have 0 flare resistence, while pretty much every other jet at this BR got IRCCM heatseekers. The Mig-29 on 13.0 got R73, but since their nerf, they also have very low flare resistence.
Exactly, it makes absolutely no sense that two jets (in the end from the same country even), that fly very similar, on the same BR, have such a different loadout in weaponry. I find 2x radar missiles with 4x IRs already not really enough for a 13.0.
They are the best SARH missile in the game and I consider them a far larger threat than any ARH missile. I would rather fight Fox-3s than R-27ERs in a 12.0/12.3
So do Aim-9Ls?
Do they? Only one that does is the SQV F-16 that should be 13.0. The others are all ground attackers
What nerf? They are still like the second or third strongest SRAAM in-game. The one im aware of getting recent nerfs is the Aim-9M
If the Mig-29 moves down to 12.3, then all the 12.0s need to move down to 11.7. There is no way that Mig-29 at 12.3 is in anyway fair. Bad enough having the F-18s at that BR, let alone R-27ERs which should not be on anything below 13.3
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The Mig-21 bison is also at 12.3 and got R73s + R27R1s. The Mig-29 at 12.7 got the ERs, but not heatseeker missiles. You could also argue that the bison is too strong at its BR. Yes, the ERs are insane, but it got only 2 and not really usable IRs.
But it would probably still be too much, since then jets like the Tornado would have to deal with Mig-29s and stuff.
Yes, BISON should be higher.
The only reason the Mig-29 is at 12.7 imo, is because it only has 2. If it had more, it would be 13.0. Though aircraft like the Viggen D only has 2x Aim-7E2s (equivalent) at 12.0. So it really cannot go lower
12.0-13.0 is stupidly compressed. There is ONLY one solution. Decompression. That would allow the F-18s, F-16s, Mig-29s, Su-33, Su-30, Su-27s, F-15 etc etc etc all to move up.
Gaijin should really on their battle rating in air realistic. I think, 15.0 should definitely be there, this would fix almost all the problems.
13.0 Mig-29 advantages over su-27/33 → top speed and acceleration
Su-27/33 advantages → quite literally everything else (and 1530 kph top speed of su-27 isn’t that bad compared to 1575 of mig-29 on the deck).
Problem is that the game is stupidly compressed, and the mic-29g would be OP at 12.7 with r27s (even if it only hard the normal r27 and not the e models) with r73s.
IMO only way mig-29s could be at 12.7 are if it only gets r73s and no r27s at all, or the way current mig29s are at 12.7 currently are, with r27er and r60ms. And mig-29 at 12.3? Only if it loses the e r27 and only has r27r/t with r60ms
Counterpoint: Su-33 is Russian.
I wonder what mig-29 is
Its unavailable to buy with GE.
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wow so it only has guns?
Do not act dumber than you are
been able to get kills from around 20km launches with that thing, out ranging some fox 3s is crazy lmao
It sure is and when its from the side or behind, it also ignores flares and can hit, when the enemy is close to the ground. It can really be better than Fox-3s.
yep, also seen when launching from longer distances and you follow it with the munitions camera when they try to flare it, the ET will bite on the flares for a second and then change target back to the plane it was originally going for