SU-33 Balance Discussion: BR Adjustment and R-77 Missiles

Wasn’t the best F-16 not American at first?

And I’m pretty sure the F-14B wasn’t that oppressive since by then ppl would have figured out MP.

IRIAF was very good in down tiers (like almost any jet) but against other 12.7 (on release) it is far from unkillable, same in an uptier.

Didn’t same thing happen with F-15 too where best one wasn’t in US. I know Japan one was heavier than F-15A but had better missiles, and when the JM released it was not only lighter but had more powerful engines.

Taiwan F-16 was better in some, but worser in other aspects
after that(one update) straight up better F-16AJ

player sees launch on RWR, player tries to find enemy, player dies from AIM-54

only on dev server
and only due of 220’s being worser than 100’s(or which were on F-15A and standart F-15J?) in game

I think the Japanese F-16 / F-15 were typically worse or equal to at best.

They’re played so little, you’d hardly see anyone in them anyways.

I remember F-14s spamming aams, going and landing then taking back off to do it all over once more.

And at the time nobody could touch them.

I know in Sim especially, when these planes dropped, it was like USA has a 99% win rate, hell for a good minute the F-16c had a 6.72 kd and a 98% winrate. I don’t know if I have the photo anymore but if I do I’ll see if I can send it

Wdym? I’m pretty sure the JM has better engine even now, they have a different version of the 220 no?

theyre same in case of perfomance

not with F-16AJ and F-15JM

That’s fair.

I do hope Su-30SM comes next update though. Very good looking jet

Depends on what it gets for aams. As the R-77 under preforms vs it’s actual irl aam.

So even if russia got a new plane / new aam, it would probably not even be that good, just so it’s “balanced” in player opinions.

I pretty much stopped playing Russian air, Russian ground, and naval. It’s so one sided against the Russian vehicles that there is no longer fun there.

For air: I play USA
For ground: I play USA / Italy (although I do play all)
For naval: I tried Russian, remembered the unlikable sharnhorst existed then went back to USA.

Helicopters: Russia is the best overall, but FnF slingers are outright able to live far easier, and not to mention the fact, that helicopters are the most beat on vehicle type… that it’s just not fun to take off in an Mi-24D and get smited by a Ozelot which I have no chance against, or a Gepard 1a2, jets, etc etc.

UH-1C XM is better as it’s smaller and gets 2 more ATGMs with better speed.

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my question is why is it lower than the F14B

Supposedly?

That’s sort of what happens to an experimental system.

Quite literally the only thing it shares with the R-27ER is the guidance and propulsion systems. The ENTIRE nose is redesigned and glaringly different than the R-27ER.

The hell is alleged about it? It’s literally just an R-27E.
Seeing as the 120D is around ~150km, the R-27EA barely hits half of that.

Once again, it was a testbed missile. The only use it ever had was on technology demonstrators such as the Su-35 and Su-37.

It’s a 120C-5 competitor… What makes you think it should be added alongside PL-15s and Meteors?

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It’s not… why do people keep getting these BRs wrong? You can go check anytime!

What are you talking about?

Have there been any proofs of the existence of the R-27AE?

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When landing on a carrier, there is an AOA and extnetion light system on the righthand side of the HUD which tells you if you need to throttle up, down, or nose up, down.

Show me a real-life picture of an R-27EA without the red nose cone.

I’ve been told they are being produced and used in service as we speak. If that’s not true, then I retract my statement partially, but that’s another strike against it being in the game. With it only being used on the SU-35/37 there’s no basis for adding it to other planes (especially not the SU-33).

Ahh yes. So different /s
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  1. the EA goes out to 130km. That’s nowhere near “half”.
  2. I was thinking of the R-27EM (170km) when I made that statement, which I apologize for, that’s my bad. However, that doesn’t make it any better lmao. That’s still a longer range than anything the US has that’s not the Aim-54C/Aim-120D.

(Was thinking of the R-27EM but I’ll answer anyway) Simply put, because it’s better than it in every way to the Aim-120C-5. The R-27ER still beats all of the modern ARH missiles in range.

This thing is on all carrier-based aircraft in the game. I thought that the HUD indication changes to ‘landing mode’ or something like that.

Its not a digital part of the HUD, its a physical 3-Light system

Go ahead and re-read this thread, it looks like you’re a little lost.

Told by who? Did you honestly believe them??

Seeing as other experimental munitions (and entirely fictitious vehicles in some cases) exist in-game, I don’t see why a functioning weapon wouldn’t be added.
The one thing that can’t be seen is where it would fit in the game. If the R-77’s drag profile were to be fixed then it would effectively trump it.

Once again, re-read the thread you’re in. Everything you’re arguing has been argued before, and have been very clearly resolved.

“I refuse to see the differences between the missiles, therefore there is none!”



Same missile, right?

It doesn’t? Its maximum range is 85km. No, wikipedia is not a source in the case you were wondering.

The R-27EM has the exact same range as the R-27EA… It was 1-unit plan to integrate the R-27EA with the N001K and reduce the service floor that it can operate to, primarily by increasing its effectiveness in filtering signals over bodies of water. It was a preemptive upgrade to the R-27EA that was made to refine issues seen with it and bring it up to speed with modern production aircraft of the time.

It doesn’t. As said before, the 120D sits around 150km maximum range. The AIM-54 tops out at 200km. The R-27E is only capable of 80km…

I mean, yeah? At the time it was an ambitious and extremely expensive way to trump the AMRAAM. The R-27ER itself was made to combat the AIM-120, and the EA was made to be equal, if not superior.

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So… The HUD.

no, HUD’s are see through, this is solid to the right of the HUD

HUD instruments are classified as anything eye-level that would contain information critical to flight.
If it’s attached to the HUD post, it’s a HUD element.
If you need to stare at your crotch to see it, it’s an HDD element.