i already said its worse in bvr and it should be. i also didnt argue for rafale to be better in bvr.
you ignore that however. youre here claiming that the su30sm needs to compete against rafale in dogfightning while it was also said that the su30sm will make the rafale suffer in bvr
sure very useful with my amraams considering a 3v3 and having to fire against 3 targets my missiles will be enough only for couple times to get notches while the su30sm can keep closing in firing those missiles as it wont run out of them
either you run out of missiles or you dont fire any and you die. people can always notch until they cant - you cant force this situation in real match with small amount of missiles in eurofighter against su30sm that can force you to be defensive and pick you off in the end
gaijin agrees and youre still complaining. go play eurofighter if you dont like it.
it is a fact and no one is preventing you from doing it. or dont play.
if you complain for hours you gain nothing, learn to accept things in life, you dont get an op fighter jet. you get a balanced one. just like everyone else has right now.
oh how horrible!
not a bug. this is an intended game feature
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When did I say that? The only time I mentioned Rafale was MICA being carried by it and how 30SM gets beaten by an F-18
If you’re misunderstanding what I said earlier, then let me clarify. Only darby and darter suffers. The mica doesn’t because it’s still being carried by the best fighter in game (or 2nd best)
not a bug is trickzzter moment xD
rafale is best for dogfightning, worst for bvr at 14.0
yes it suffers at bvr and excels at bfm.
and su30sm wont suffer it will excel at bvr instead of bfm
But like I keep saying, even 30SM sucks at BVR because it won’t be fast enough to commit to an engagement zone vs an F-15E or EFT
So how do you justify the EFT being good at BVR and dogfighting?
Okay suck is a strong word, it would be mid not suck
wont be after su30sm
f15e has better ground killing capability
su30sm wont be facing any issues. if you have problem about f15e being “worse” then youre agreeing that the f15e people are entitled to complain about the engines. su30sm not because you will be significantly better in such regard.
also what is questionable is your refusal to call out flat out lies that people are using to get the su30sm buffed. clearly you are biased and are accepting of lying to get buffs for the su30sm proving that youre okay with being wrong but still continuing to make claims.
practical for you would mean killing your opponent. ofcourse you dont get to kill everyone in dogfights if you already win in bvr.
that would be op.
Why would it? It still has a better turn radius, and TVC bleeds too much speed to be practical on most scenarios
RU mains when they can’t hold S with 180° AoA AND maintain speed to rate around the circle:
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react to Nike Ajax comment: , like i said the su30sm will be better in bvr. you just want it to be better in dogfights too so you can be op and kill everyone and everything."
It not will be better.
For BVR you need speed to launch at faster speed the R-77-1 (which is not have range like the Aim120).
higher speed, higher energy for your launched missile=higher chance to hit the target because the missile going faster.
Higher acceleration->higher speed to reach the top speed (higher energy for your missile, higher chance to hit the target)
Higher acceleration->higher chance to defend the missile which is coming to you, when you trying to defend the upcoming missile and you turning on 180-360 degress.
The Su 30 Sm have the worst acceleration, worst turning perfomance, top speed (Su 30 beating only the F18/C in top speed) in 14.0 br, (ingame)
(I explained why acceleration and top speed turning performance are important for the missile to hit the target in bvr and that why top speed and acceleration count for survivability in bvr)
the aim120 have better range than the R-77-1->so you can’t say it has the best missile loadout for bvr.
With Su 27 Sm perfomance it will be not the best in bvr, because the Su 27 Sm dont have the best acceleration, top speed, turning rate (its between mid and good) , if you check the In-game calculator (graphs)
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notice the reply in above comment. you only are interested in flooding. still thinking you should practically kill things in both bfm and bvr especially while being able to make things like rafale suffer in bvr
su27sm has significantly worse missile loadout thats why its not best. common sense? su30sm is obviously better in such regard.
ok and phoenix has better range than aim120 so the phoenix is best bvr missile
like i said youre ignoring everything but range and with that logic a missile that is legitimately better will appear worse.
range wont be sole defining factor in what is the best missile otherwise phoenix would beat everything.
considering that your argument’s logic would lead to the idea of phoenix being best bvr missile while it isn’t, the logic in this argument is invalid and i will ignore it as such.
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When did I say F-15E being worse? I’ve said nothing but praises about it and how it’s still a better BVR jet
I never really bothered to check what other said, all I want is better climb
Also ofc practicality means killing enemies. Isn’t that the point? What’s your argument here? I’m confused
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you just want better thrust to weight ratio for dogfights the missile loadout on su30sm already supersedes any climb requirement
the fact that you want to beat rafale eurofighter and everyone else in dogfights while also being best bvr aircraft.
not happening. accept that youre not getting any ufos this update.
Your comment: ,ok and phoenix has better range than aim120 so the phoenix is best bvr missile
like i said youre ignoring everything but range and with that logic a missile that is legitimately better will appear worse.
range wont be sole defining factor in what is the best missile otherwise phoenix would beat everything.
considering that your argument’s logic would lead to the idea of phoenix being best bvr missile while it isn’t, the logic in this argument is invalid and i will ignore it as such."
It was not about the raw range of the missile, but about how much the top speed and acceleration can influence the missile’s arrival at the target.
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No, I want better climb so I can get to ideal bvr ranges on par with EFT or F-15E
Also where are you getting I want it to be a better dogfighter? All my justifications were all about climb
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ok so now youre ignoring range and instead changing the argument into top speed and acceleration
quite funny because you considered the argument so invalid that you changed it into completely something else.
good thing the r77’s are nice here with the large amount of them you can keep your enemies defensive even at longer ranges even if they were to be slower because you can fire them and while they would lose to a notch at the range it would regardless force the enemy to be defensive, you can continue firing them and close in while only having to notch one missile while your second missile is still going after them forcing them to stay in notch
the su30sm will be best in bvr, gaijin agrees and if you dont then thats not my problem
youre also not getting something that can beat everything in both bvr and dogfights. good so. ofcourse youre biased because earlier you lied, references statistics that turned out to be made up by you in favor of your argument
your opinion as such can be disregarded because you go out in any way to distort reality and are ready to lie.
your first missile is already good enough to force defensive outside of nez and considering the amount of them youll win them at dogfight regardless.
“i want this i want that” nah the su30sm is already good enough.
dont complain about dogfight performance if you dont want it to be better
Even if you get the better engines, it won’t be better than the EFT in the F15E. The su 27 Sm has worse top speed, acceleration and turning performance.
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yet the missiles supersede this and you will be best in bvr. su30sm is king of bvr and worst at dogfightning. it is called balance, you want the su30sm to be best in turn top, speed and acceleration and also in missiles loadout
youre also refusing to address your lying and making up of information to support your argument
you earlier referred to statistics mentioning a 90% rate of a particular action in a battle but you dont have this, it is a lie.
stop lying, your arguments are invalid as long as youre actively lying to get su30sm buffed
Okay, get on the dev server. Your Su30 vs my F-15I
