Why so hostile man? It’s still the worst 14.0 airframr even early in the dev and it’s probably gotta get nerfed more.
We we’re pretty civil when we laid out our justifications as to why we want better engines.
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and at 14.0 it will have the best missile loadout.
i already told you what it is and why it is like that. now youre just complaining about whats coming. you can either not play the game or you can play the eurofighter if you dont like how the su30sm plays out as a missile boat.
it comes off as entitlement.
there was even admitting that rafale will suffer against it in bvr, so what does that mean? you will suffer against rafale in dogfight then.
Uuuummmm what XD…are you blind folded when trying this???
Is it really entitlement when we just want something a bit more competitive?
Why can US mains complain about F-15 engines and why can’t we?
Oh btw, it’s not the best missile loadout, just because it has more missiles doesn’t mean it’s the best
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,you dont need acceleration yourself if the missile and amount of them does it for you.
considering nez you will beat others and considering missile exhances you will be able to destroy multiple aircraft in direct exchanges while others would have to start rearming after you have notched some of their missiles. you can still continue to fight and fire missiles from above into enemies down there."
Considering the stats, the chances of you getting to rearm are very low. 90% of players don’t make it to rearm.
Why? Because by then the game will be over (if you’re on the winning team) If you’re on the losing team, you’ll most likely die before rearming.
So there is a higher chance that you will die sooner. Anyway, I won’t argue anymore because you twist my words and we can write to each other forever. Goodbye.
its competetive in bvr. now you want it to be competetive in dogfights too. that is entitelement. it was said that su30sm will make rafale suffer in bvr. so it is fair for su30sm to suffer in the dogfight area. its balance.
youre both complaining and being entitled. its completely useless.
the people who modelled these missiles ingame seem to agree with me. you dont have say over them.
just because you say its worse doesnt mean youre not biased and you want to beat people in dogfights and bvr, both.
admit it, you want to beat everyone in a dogfight. your plane is already best in bvr. you want it to be op.
ok send me those stats because ive been playing the eurofighter and not having any issues.
sometimes i run out of missiles and die because of that (and thats why i cant rearm). which further proves my point.
i suspect ghost of hun 187 making up things to try and get the su30sm buffed. give me source otherwise its obvious that youre lying and everything you said can be disregarded.
But would it beat it in a dogfight though? Current 30SM can be beaten by an F-18 and who knows how much better a Rafale and EFT is.
In it’s current state even, on paper the Su-33 could beat it
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I get it now, it’s you who don’t want competition
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as it should be.
ok and? go fly the su33 if its so good at 14.0 then. im sure youll have fun dying 99% of the time. disregarding the weapons loadout on the su30sm arent you.
theres more to battles than dogfightning. bvr and missiles are what causes majority of the kills.
like i said the su30sm will be better in bvr. you just want it to be better in dogfights too so you can be op and kill everyone and everything.
But you’re the one who keeps going on with dogfighting?
My whole justification for better engines was faster climb so I can get to ideal BVR altitudes as fast as an EFT or F-15E
Make up your mind
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,ok send me those stats because ive been playing the eurofighter and not having any issues.
sometimes i run out of missiles and die because of that (and thats why i cant rearm). which further proves my point."
I said overall all of the players in the average top tier air rb match. chaotic sometimes you know why many Eurofighters die before my eyes? Both in my team and in the opponent’s team.
But it’s not? EFT and F-15E can still beat you to the punch and AIM-120 is still a better overall BVR missile
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i already said as a conclusion that the su30sm will be better in bvr and worse in dogfightning.
then you come to talk about performance and only focus on dogfightning performance trying to disregard missiles fully while missiles amount to most of kills in matches its what you kill with majority of the time but to you this doesnt matter
so go play the su33 at 14.0 then if its so good.
you dont need to be at the same altitudes as fast as eft or f15e because your missiles will easily make up for it and not only that but will be better
i wasnt talking about statistics i was talking about personal experience
however you were talking about statistics, you very much referred to them so show me the statistics or youre lying just to get the su30sm to be better
Totally and utterly USELES right -_- …I hope the flight model of the 30SM does not go into the ground but stays competitive…if you’re losesing to an F4 in close with the 30 right now… :/ that’s a YOU issue!
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i know theyre making up ridiculous claims. one of them lied to me said that he has statistics that showed a thing but it was all made up and he lied only to try and argue in favor of su30sm being buffed.
they say crazy things to make it get buffed.
But when they beat you to ideal BVR altitudes, you’d be forced on a defensive earlier than them, ergo they dictate the fight because they can just cruise along while you fight defensively. Also did you forget how the R-77 platforms drag actually makes it worst against a notching target?
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you’ve already fired your missiles from further range because your missile can easily compensate; theyre going defensive first
if you notch properly it will defeat any missile within reason in bvr so it doesnt matter
now you have a lot of those missiles while you only have to beat some of the other aircrafts missiles. you can keep spamming them keep the enemy defensive.
easy win and when you try to make up non sense gaijin has modelled these missiles themselves and they know what it is like. the plane is good right now and you just want to kill everything.
ridiculous claims, lies, non sense. if you were correct you wouldnt need to bring any of these to the forum.
You trust gaijin’s word right?
Even gaijin think it’s not any better than R-77s
ok if energy is the only thing that matters im sure the aim-54a is the best missile with this logic then because we ignore every other aspect of missile performance.
its called bias, you only take in something that makes you feel correct and ignore everything that points you to be incorrect. with your logic phoenix is best because missiles have no other aspects.
bring f-14 to top tier and we can have a bvr fight.
But aren’t you biased yourself? You just want the Eurofighter to be topdog, which btw can still do sustained 16g turns for some reason
So not only does it climb fast, it can dogfight good as well. But asking for Su-30SM to climb faster is biased? Jesus get a grip