Absolutely yes. With almost every single 12.3 game now being a full uptier and no 12.3 and even 12.7 aircraft being able to put up any resistance towards the premium SU-30’s something has to be done. Now I’m not saying raising the br to 14.0 is a good idea, since these planes can’t hold up there, but artificially nerfing them (for example limiting the amount of R-77s carried of removing the HMD) would. Best course of action though would be br decompression so these planes would stop facing much inferior and basically defenseless F-20s and similar aircraft and instead would face those who can actually compete.
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Harrier GR.1 is 12.3 btw, literally stands no chance. Uptiers are meant to be HARD, not impossible.
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I assume you mean Harrier GR7?
Though you would be right in an aircraft with no CMs, No RWR and only SRAAMs at 12.3 standing no chance :P
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Exactly. And they are constant now
My bad, GR.7, you’re right :)
That’s 90% of the issue, especially with stuff like the bushmaster tanks. They’re good at their own BR, that’s how they’re balanced. The issue is the constant uptiers to fight bullshit MBTs where they stand no chance!
now to be fair, 13.3 players are kinda braindead monkeys, but ideally a subsonic attacker with only 9Ms wouldn’t face Su-30s anyways
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also worth noting that isn’t cherrypicked footage, this is just what happens in an actual match. people don’t know how to counter the worst aircraft of the entire BR range
Most are stupid, the issue is the few that aren’t. I strongly believe these are ONLY 13.3 because their stats get dragged down by Timmy with mom’s credit card. If not for him, they would easily be 13.7
That’s just the Harrier life, nobody ever knows how to fight them
nah its because its a money printing toptier aircraft, alot of premiums either get powercrept or undertiered.
J-7D. was 11.0, got downtiered. it still performs like an 11.0
F-4S, the best 12.0 alongside the Tornado F.3, but it overshadows even its own older brother the F-4J at the same BR.
the pair of Su-30s, essentially just a Su-27SM at 13.3
NF-5A, literally just an F-5E at 10.7
Ki-100-II, its an exact copy paste of the 4.0 techtree version but sits at 3.7 instead
MiG-15Bis ISH, a slightly heavier MiG-15Bis at a lower BR for no reason
XP-50, could easily be 4.3 or 4.7 with its insane climbrate and airspawn, still sits at 4.0.
there’s a trend, and people are only making a big deal of it with the Su-30s, so its partially the fault of the playerbase
The F4J has been super fun because its out of that range, but when I got the F/A-18A that all changed, fox 3 spam ruined my time in that plane, and the F-14A feels unplayable, because while it has fox3’s, they almost never hit because anyone can dodge a phoenix really easily and the radar makes it hard to use the aim7s. maybe its me, but everything that doesn’t have a PD radar at that BR range gets eaten alive. As well as the undodgeable RVV-AE’s from hell that don’t give a damn about chaff or notching, and it gets 8 of them. absolutely nuts
and you know whats really crazy, the F-14D a super fun aircraft with PD only sits .3 above it, while being incredibly, leaps and bounds better than the A
the F-14A used to be 12.3 and honestly? i don’t think it’d be a bad idea to move it back there.
yes, it has FOX3s, but as you said they’re piss easy to dodge. picture yourself flying the JA37C that has only 4 sectors on the RWR. do you die to the phoenix? no, because its launch is telegraphed by the giant smoke plume and you can pre-notch it to avoid the lock-on entirely. you get up close to it, and you don’t really have a hard time dogfighting it because you’re a viggen and the tomcat flightmodel is genuinely not that great. oh you’re scared of the AIM-7Fs are you? just do HGB, you’ll live.
12.3 F-14A wouldn’t really be a disaster, in my opinion
Honestly yeah, it could even potentially go down to 12 as long as it isnt busted, while the B and D go to 12.3 and 12.7 or similar, but that would ruin 11.3 cause youd be fighting F-104s, as well as MiG-23’s, which aren’t bad but would get mopped, esp the MiG-23ML prem. i think if the Su-30s moved up out of 12.3 range it wouldnt be such an issue to keep it at 12.7.
I think the Tomcat A should be messing up the enemy team on a consistent basis, but like something such as the IS-4M has easily exploited weaknesses i.e. poor radar without HDN mode, AIM-7Fs and poor AIM-9s, with its only main advantage being TWS and AIM-54As and wicked range, but as previously stated, phoenix’s are super dodgeable, certainly the A variant. I’ve played 10-20 some games in it today trying to weapons spade it and have yet to get an A2A kill cause of the Hornet and Su-30 premium spam, as they have much better radars than me and have better overall capability with weaponry/FM’s.
Kinda just want SARH range to not be ball crushing to play to be honest.
12 is too low, planes in a full downtier should be able to manage it. planes like the F-4EJ simply cannot.
12.3 is a good cutoff, almost every 11.3, 11.7 and 12.0 plane is capable of either handling or completely dominating the tomcat.
True, I didn’t even think about the early phantoms or related, I forget about the mixed MM sometimes, it could certainly handle 12.3
The biggest problem is not the SU30 premiums in itself, but the huge issue with the BR compression. No Fox 1 fighter should face highly manouverable Fox3 fighters. The whole balance point is counterplay, and the Su30s are the prime example of this. They outrange everything, there is no way to shoot back at them and their flightperformance is so good, that they can position themselfs in ways, that they are basically untouchable, exept to other fighters with Fox3s. Fighters like the F4 ICE dont have the flightperformance to be dominating, but get the weapons. The Su27, Mig29G, F2A ADTW have the flightperformance and sensors, but are missing the weapons. Then there are the TomCats, which are a Jack of all trades kind a thing. but neither the weapons, nor the flightperformance are at the top. 13.0 is an increadible balanced BR. not a single fighter in 13.0 should face a fighter of 13.3 or higher IMO, let alone an F15E or a Mirage 2k 5F. The same thing goes for 12.0 and 13.0 but the issue there is not nearly as bad as it is for 13.0 to 14.0, because the either the flightperformances lie closer together or the difference in weaponry is not that big. Still a Mirage F1 has no business fighting an Su33, Su27 or F2 ADTW. Up until 13.0 the BRs are somewhat balanced in themselfs, in terms that each 13.0 fighter is as good as other 13.0 fighters for example. And then the whole shitshow of 13.3 and above starts. No one can convince me, that the Su30MK2 and MKK are as good as the Mig29SMT or the F16ADF. Hell the F16ADF still uses AIM9L at 13.3 where every other fighter has IRCCM Fox2s. The Su30MK2 has better and more missiles, more flares and sits at the same BR as the ADF with a comparable flightperformance. Ofc the F16ADF will beat the Su30MK2 in a dogfight, when it is clean, min fuel and on 1v1 africa. But you cant balance ARB around the theoretical dogfight performance in a fox3 BR. Please Gaijin, decompress the ARB BRs from 11.0 up to 14.7. introduce a new top BR of 15.0 and reduce the BR ranges for battles to a maximum of 0.7 up OR down, or push the Top BR to 15.3 or even 15.7. I know, that you are worried about queue times, but I’d rather wait for 2 minutes, than to constantly face 13.3, 13.7 or even 14.0 in my F2 ADTW. I havent had a single game with the F2 where I didnt face the Su30 premiums in 3 DAYS!!!
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Trouble is the RWRs of lower tier jets cant see the pheonix
F14a is one of my most played jets as even though its a mid as it gets- its still a good mindless grinder for events.