uh huh.
so then move the majority of the F16s which have amraams up as well to 13.7.
move the mig29SMT while were at it.
Oh lets not forget all the 13.0s with AMRAAMS or ARH missiles like the tornado F3 late or the F4F ICE,
it’s called A-symetrical, the Su30 may have more missiles but it’s a literal bus compared to the likes of an F16.
Hence why the avionics and such are a massive drawback to the Su30
OH what about the viggen? has literally hundreds of counter measures, 4 amraams and 2 aim9Ms all at 13.0?
no they aren’t? where is the source for that man? derby’s RN absolutely slap.
You’re picking and choosing what planes to move up in the name of your subjective biased opinion on it.
The su30 Rn is a heavy, massive platform with the same RWR as the Su27, no canards like the 14.0 one, worse ARH missiles, as well as average CM counts.
not really considering most fights at these BR’s do not revolve around IR missiles at all.
I take 4 x 2 on the mig29 SMT and usually don’t even fire the R73s.
so yeah .
BTW the KFIR C10 with derbis not even got 4 and i am stomping su30s with it.
In fairness. The F-16s at 13.3 (bar the F-16D) dont get IRCCM.
Su-30MK2 can run 4x R-73 with HMD + 6x R-77.
F-16 with 0-6 Aim-9Ls + 0-6 Aim-120Bs I dont think are really comprable. Sure its a better gunfighting platform, but in overall loadout… weaker.
It has BOL, which is well… BOL, and doesnt have Aim-9M, only 9Ls. It also has a terrible RWR for the BR
F3 Late and ICE are under BRed and should be on par with the Mig-29SMT, but could do with the odd buff. F3 Late is easy and should get Phimat, but ICE is just kinda screwed.
Nothing else at 13.0 is really that strong, its all fairly balanced against each other as everything else has trade offs (though should overall be higher with a decompression)
yet there they sit, and have sat for ages now skudding all 12.7 and down BR planes. christ I struggle with them with my Ff16AJ due to lack of ARH missiles.
Don’t avoid it? it’s the first time you’ve asked it.
You’ve mentioned 2 planes the su30 and the Sufa, the SU30 I am going ot get either the TT or the prem irregardless of the BR .
The F16I I am working on as we speak xD it’s just slow process as I gotta get through the vatours.
can you say that?
The sufa has more CMs, is lighter, has a better FM.
loadout wise? Su30 is a great plane, but the planes aren’t just the loadout.
If they were F15E would be a higher BR than the Ef2000.
Eh… HMD and R-73 closes any FM gap quite a fair bit, and ive seen enough people winning dogfights at and around that BR with a cobra, followed by R-73 fired by HMD, that I dont necessarily think FM alone is a good argument.
Especially as if it was the F3s would be Waaaaaay lower than they currently are and I wouldnt actually be okay with them getting a BR increase with the right buffs.
We dont?
Been trying to get the FA2 down to 12.7 but purely because it has AMRAAM its stuck at 13.0.
HU?
I think Su-30MK2 compared directly to something like the J-11A or Mig-29SMT just doesnt belong at 13.3. In a full downtier… Its just a bit too strong, though quite frankly, so is the Su-33.
Yes long term a decompression is needed, but short term? Its the lesser of 2 evils, and quite frankly, the SU03Mk2 looks to be more akin to half the aircraft currently at 13.7.
And its not like what it faces in a full uptier will exactly change? will still see the same 14.3s.
Not really, the R73 still just spin out if you are going under speed.
I should know I use them on the SMT.
that is due to the person dogfighting being brainless.
I’ve yet to see a cobra work in game man xD
It is a good argument?
It’s a massive part of the actual planes capabilities.
yes we do not balance purely off loadout.
yes because ARH missiles are extremely powerful compared to planes without them, which is different though as htat poor bugger has to swap out the guns for them, as well as it’s a harrier.
Though it falls into that area I think of the stats keep it at a higher BR as well, same as GR7.
Su33?
has no ARH missiles is it’s drawback.
Again, I’ve beaten Su30s in the Mig29SMT dogfighting, it’s wayy heavier and bigger, “dogfighting” as in I can get around lob a missile off before they can.
the thing is 13.3 with the Compression we have.
It shouldn’t be the same BR as the objectively better su27SM .
Who are you to say ? I can’t even find you to see what you’ve flown.
Okay and the mentions me and anyone else have made are irrelevant? I have compared it with the likes of mig29 SMT, or other 13.0s I’ve flown which you stated had missile which are “worse” and aren’t.
if these are your stats im looking at dude theres no wonder you think the su30 should be a higher BR
you’ve a 0.5 KD with it xD
just because you’ve flwon it doesn’t mean you know a damn thing about it.
as shown with how badly you’ve done with it mate.
I’ve used more russian rank 8 planes than you have xD I know how they fly, irregardless if i’ve used that one specifically.
I come here to talk about it and you’ve gotten hyper defensive of it.
when i said i’ve shot them down with the objectively “worse” planes
You don’t even knwo when you have flown them mate.
I am not one to say this stuff often but please. go learn the game mechanics better and then tell me which planes are “op”
