Mind that is circa 2020 pack premium. It was 9.7 on release and 3BM42 had only 2mm less pen than Leopard 2A5 at that time. It certainly wasnt fun going against LRF+2nd (or 3rd gen? dunno) thermals+3BM42 combo with things like A1A1 (was 8.7 back then). It was absolute diddler in downtier back then.
Lost for for every nation, im more just curious if every nation has something OP
hm, interesting question, but it will be highly subjective and people will downplay the effectivness of their favorite vehicle from their favorite nation no matter what, and overestimate the effectivness of vehicles I hate. I know for sure that I wouldnt be able to separate such opinion from my bias.
That being said, no matter the people claiming Su-30MK2 being good or bad, it has some objective qualities over its BR contemporaries, and some of these qualities matter more than its downsides.
That was more or less my point someone will always have a differing opinion.
Imo the Su-27 and 33 have no right at 13.0 with the Mig 29G but the BR’s are so compressed its pretty rough in a full uptier without a good map for using multipath with only 45x CM on the 33
Mavs cant be launched outside of the range of BR appropriate SPAAs, unlike Kh38MT which up until very recently outranged effective range of every SPAA bar Pantsir (inb4 Pantsir missile loses energy at longer distances, as if same issue doesnt apply to every other SPAA)
on extremely poor platform FM wise
the agm65 out range my osa and 2s6, and yes the a10 can stay outside of the 10km spaa and launch agm, and i destroy them, then i am out of ammo, i use the box, i am ready, he launch again, and i got no more missile
mirage f1 is not a poor platform who go against mig23mld at 11.7 who is a mid platform
MLD is a mid platform?
Should be 12.0
How are you dying to Mavericks that are being launched 10 km away? On an A-10 of all things? That’s impossible, it can’t fly high or fast enough for the Mavs to make it that far. 10 km launched Mavericks are one of the slowest missiles in the game, you have ample time to intercept and get out of the way of the missile.
yes i said it
no more ammo box
i am a free kill
AGM-65A/B effective range is 6km.
AGM-65D/G range from an A-10 is 11km, otherwise it’s 17km from a mach 0.9 mach jet, or 19+km from a 1.3 mach jet.
Su-30MK2 has no such missiles, it’s garbage in ground battles compared to other weapon systems.
Why would I spawn Su-30MK2 when I can bring Su-24M and a lower BR ground lineup?
The best 13.3 in the game is obviously the J-11A.
Dude 😭
yeah sure, only 2 good missile and 4 easy flared ir missile against 12.3 f18 and mirage with 2 irccm and 3 sarhm
Yeah I remember that it came in like a wrecking ball.
Pen on most vehicles was a lot higher then as well, like when centurions dropped they were absolutely dominant for a while.
the TURMS armour was also more effective back then as well compared to now.
I am aware of it, samea s the KA50 when it dropped ended witha game mode being removed.
I think that falls under premium bias not russian bias though
And? Mirage F1 is 12.0 with only 2 good missiles.
Heck, Tornado Gr4/SLE are 12.3 with only 2 good missiles.
But yeah, lets just pretend the Mig-23MLD is a bad aircraft with its
4x All-aspect IR missiles
2x best SARH of that BR
IRST
72 Large Calibre Flares
Good FM
Good top speed
I have to enter 2S6/OSA effective range launching mavericks from F-4F late, much faster platfrom than that of A-10A early/late.
How can mavs from slower platform outrange SPAAs, but those very same mavs from much faster platform dont outrange these very same SPAAs?
Maverick launched from A10 from such range and from such platform will be extremely easy to intercept.
For comparison, Kh-38MT released from carrier going at mach 1 at 4800m alt, launched from 13km (ie. 1km behind VT-1 ABSOLUTE range) will reach target in 26 secs with impact speed of mach 1.40.
are you sure you want to be making that argument? only thing mirage F1 can do when it meets MiG-23 is to run.
Second this statement for myself as well.
the line gets muddied very quickly.
irccm but still should 12.0
mirage go 144+48
in hwat world would you use irst when its will lock flare
mirage also have good speed
idk about best
well we inherently cant get rid of it, so it kinda blows. But find yourself a person on this forum who can admit his bias too and youd be surprised about the quality of conversations one can have on this god forsaken site.
Yeah I gotta agree ehre, the 29G should either move down or get some breathing room.
It sucks it’s stuck at a BR where there are objectively better planes.
I never really struggled with pantsir, always teh damn ITO’s that got me, somehow.
the mirage F1 200 / C is not a poor platform FM wise.
issue is the radar which for some odd reason they decided the MTI can only be used in specific vectors and heights.
Which BTW was only on the M model, the MLD and MLA should both have access to it flat out and be 12.0
