It wasn’t accurate at all. It could quite literally beat F16s in vertical dogfights on release
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R-27ER and AIM-7M are ants, and the Meteor missile is infinitely more OP than people THINK R-27ER is.
Emphasis on think, cause R-27ER isn’t OP. There’s no evidence of it even having the same low-level performance of AIM-7F IRL. [War Thunder’s low level performance of both missiles are likely under-performing BTW]
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You get what I mean, the Meteor would be 2-3 times worse for the game.
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Imagine ratio-ing a news post, that’s impressive.
Eh.
R-37M > R-77M
I want the missile that can go Pitbull 40km< at hypersonic speed. Shouldn’t be far off with how fast we’re moving with aviation.
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Yeah R-37M is more on par with meteor.
R-77M would make Russian A2A seem behind if it is what we are supposed to use compared to meteor.
Keep in mind R-37M designed to engage with large sized airplanes while Meteor designed to destroy fighter sized targets with stealth abilities.
Meteor is more suitable for actual fighter vs fighter combat while R-37M is more like very enhanced Phoenix.
Both missiles produced for different purposes.
Well those are the breaks, Russia have the R-37M and R-77M with R-73/74
Europe has IRIS-T/MICA/ASRAAM with the Meteor and AIM-120D
Gaijin pretending to care about balance when Russia dont have an analogue to a weapon systems [Cough Pantsir]
At this point realism is out of the window we have no official or leaked data that can be used to provide real world performance of the Meteor, AIM-120D (AIM260 JATM) PL-15, R-77M
We had this problem with Tanks and now aircraft have caught up good luck bug reporting and finding credible evidence for some of the most secretive weapon systems in the world.
R-37M is proving to be pretty good against fighter sized targets even tracking at low altitudes.
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Not really.
You are wrong but ok
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Sure, whatever makes you feel better.
Dont bring your personal views into this have you read the UK intelligence report on the MiG 31BM and its performance using R-37M missiles from miles away to shoot down MiG 29/Su-27 and Su-24?
There is cockpit footage of a track from a MiG 31BM showing the missile launched and hitting from 90 miles (both tracks from the RADAR disappear)
Russia are now arming the SU-30SM with R-37M
It’s obviously working
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Never said it wasnt working, stop twisting my words.
Those so called kill scores achieved against quite old Mig-29’s and Su-27’s, if its true in the first place.
Against modern fighters R-37M isnt as good as Meteor because it was never designed to engage with fighter sized targets in the first place.
Learn the difference.
You did you said “Not really” and then “Sure, whatever makes you feel better”
You mean the same A2A kills the USAF brag about? Russia have achieved something no other nation has and that is a kill on a fighter sized target MiG 29 RCS 5msq from 100 miles away. That is proof the missile is working.
No one is comparing it to the Meteor, they are completly different designs. But to say its not designed to hit fighters is false.
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I said not really because achieving some kills against old fighters doesnt mean anything.
Its like sayin Phoenix scored multiple kills against Mig-21’s, just because it can doesnt mean its quite effective against fighter sized targets especially against modern ones.
I’ll take USAF claims rather then Russian’s all day.
Yes achieved against very old Mig-29 that doesnt even have proper ECM,RWR or situational awareness, quite shocking isnt it? Now try to do same thing against Gripen,Typhoon,Rafale,F-15,F-16,F-22 and F-35 and see what happens.
Its true, missile itself designed to engage with AWACS sized targets from very long range distance just like Phoenix missiles.
Achieving scores against very old jets doesnt change this fact.
Yet the USAF only kills are against older airframes…
No its not the MiG 29 kinematically is very impressive. Comparing it to a MiG 21 is disengenous.
Of course you will, you are incapable of separating your biasses.
Well thats not true either you think those EAWACS aircraft flying near the border are not provided around the clock updates to Ukraine? Yes its older yes it doesnt have a jammer but to still hit a target that far way is impressive. F-35 + F-22 is stealth and Gen V not a fair comparision.
Typhoon, Gripen, Rafale, F-15 and F-16 will all have far more capable pilots. No one is saying the missile cant be defeated.
Just out of curiosity how does an F-15 down low on the deck defend against a missile travelling Mach 3.0 that goes pitbull 20 miles away.
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the USAF destroyed basically brand new MiG-29s in iraq with ease
Which is why the pilot is so important, however we all know export MiG 29s sucked.
Iraq at the time of the Gulf had less than 40 MiG 29, thats less than one airwing from one of the US Carriers in the Gulf
Yet all of them confirmed by multiple sources while Russian one confirmed by either one or two sources, even Russian’s accept USAF superiority while you cant even handle the truth.
Huh?
Missile itself designed to reach 400km under optimal conditions so hitting a very old fighter jet from 90km isnt that impressive in my book, still good achievement tho, if its true in the first place.
Have you ever heard detecting,Jamming, going cold or forcing your opponent with similiar missiles aka Fox-3 ones? Guess not.
Also what makes you think that F-15 will be on low altitude in the first place? F-15 will most likely detect Russian jet and engage with it while jamming enemy radar and missile.
Indian tests showed that Russian electronics are quite bad against NATO ECM’s, what makes you think it’ll be different in that situation.