SU-27 Stock grind against the Aim-120

How are you meant to stock grind the SU-27 with a sky full of Aim-120’s launched from platforms that have radars that out range your own?

I can avoid a couple of Aim-120’s by MP or Notching but by the 3rd or 4th one I’m just about out of energy and get cleaned up by the 5th or 6th. They just keep coming. Even if you manage to dodge them all, you get cleaned up by a IR Missile.

So my options are, stay away rom the battle and waste 10 minutes doing nothing and getting no RP to stay alive. Or trying to actually do something and getting pumped with all the Aim-120’s in the US armory?

Not mad or anything, just genuinely looking for some pointers 'cause it does get quite frustrating.

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Stay 1 mm Away from the ground, or go high and when its launcher go straight into the ground since many sarh calculate where you are going to be so the missile just flies into the ground

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Play as a support, defensive fighter. Don’t pretend you have a technologically on-par missile to your ocasional opposition, what you will eventually have is on-par missiles around raw performance.
Whenever you get the R-27ER, use it to its strengths (against positionally weaker, medium-range enemies), it still is the best SARH by a decent margin.

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Ok, just call me idiot, my way to solve this problem is just sitting at the base for few minute, then they all had launch their missile when I take off LOL

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Also instead of maneuvering you could turn cold (flying away from the missile) while staying below 60m, it’s not much better of a chance, but is something last ditch.

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Yeah I go high at the start but that only works to dodge the first lot of Aim-120’s and because the F-15 radar is better than the SU-27’s they’re able to launch at me forcing me defensive before I can launch anything off myself.

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Same way every nation stock grinds. The same way F16s, F15s, gripens, tornados, etc etc have to stock grind. Slowly and carefully.

Though su27 does get bombs and is fast. Stock grind should be easier than most

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good luck with it. su27s are also unflyable without the new boosters mod

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Nothing will change for the 13.3, 13.0, and 12.7 aircraft until Gaijin introduces planes like the F-15E, F-15I, Baz Meshupar, F-15J(M), F-15C, J-10A at 14.7; the F-16C Block 40/50, Gripen C, Mirage 2000-5Ei/-F, Su-27SM at 14.3, and so on. These planes will continue to be nothing more than easy frags for those who paid their way into top-tier matches, giving them the false impression that they’re skilled just because they press two buttons.

Edit: The Mirage 2000-5Ei/-5F placement at 14.7 is debatable.

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Why would you put the M2K higher when it has worse AAMs that they refuse to fix, their flight performance is notably worse than some of the things you would put lower as well.

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my m2k games, how this is weak? is undeniably a top dog

It is also one of the best duel planes in the game (at that time the j10 was still missing fixes, nowadays the j10 has the complete advantage)

Really shouldn’t have to explain the transition to BVR meta and why having ahistorically underperforming AAMs (alongside a FM that can be beaten just by not being a dumbass and burning all your energy) makes it unjustifiable to put it higher.

These are from French and Taiwanese sources:

The MICA-EM is an expensive missile. The price varies according to several sources. One source cites the MICA IR as costing double or triple the price of the AIM-9X (totaling between $400,000 and $750,000). Another source mentions a value close to $1 million for the MICA EM compared to $350,000–$500,000 for the AMRAAM and $750,000 for the Israeli Derby. The Russian R-77 outperforms and is also cheaper.

The AMRAAM has a lower price and similar performance but faces sales restrictions. France has no issues releasing the source codes of its weapons, unlike the Americans. Taiwan acquired 200 AMRAAMs for $150 million, averaging $750,000 per missile, including launchers and support. Meanwhile, Spain purchased 100 AMRAAMs for $52 million in 1998.

In 2000, France ordered 1,537 MICA missiles for a total of $845 million (unit cost of $550,000). Deliveries began in 2004. The first batch of 225 missiles had already been delivered between 1997 and 1999.

The MICA also has compromise issues, being a short-range missile too large to be maneuverable and a long-range weapon with less fuel than needed.

Simulations conducted by the French showed that, in long-range combat, a fighter equipped with the MICA would be at a disadvantage against another fighter equipped with a missile in the Vympel R-77 (A-12 Adder) class and even future versions of the Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM.

This led the French Ministry to rethink its strategy, resulting in the requirement for a long-range missile with a large No-Escape Zone. The outcome was the emergence of the MIDE program — Missile d’Interceptation à Domaine Élargi — an extended-range interception missile. The new missile was expected to enter service between 2010 and 2012.

According to what we can read, statements from developers, defense ministries, bids and bidding results, as well as test results, this is correct, or at least within the margin of error

Works for me 😊, yeah turn like 260° then thrust and use flares/chaffs easy

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There are acknowledge bug reports about 8 months old for MICA EM having somewhere around 30% less range than it should have, as well as a number of issues.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/fVxq4GpLjbPO
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OoskoLXRLTgx
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/JceCbxskUoCC
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/alf1Hlrk1Ap6

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well so far most missiles other than the aim-120A are underperforming a bit

Wait… aren’t you a YouTuber?

Aim-120 is also underperforming notably

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/2KiennatgLHF
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/i0HIOTuiT0kl
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FTINp3ILB1Ls
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/HXUwCNn4J51u
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FX35LzA7lJn1

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If you read results from 120A launches in real life, you’ll realize what I’m talking about, it definitely performs above normal